Buddhism and Psychedelics

[psm]

"as soon as you make rules for spiritualism, you fuck it up."

In a way thats what i`m talking about when i say drop dogma , hokus pokus , priests , "shsmsn" and trany uniforms . The kingdom of heaven is within you . Just lie down and relax . Then empty your mind , stop the internal dialog and mentaly peel of the layers of your consciousness and look for the light .

Easier said then done

actually it is easier done then said. that is the main problem, why almost no one gets there...

It is funny, you say there is no need for dogma's and rules.
And jet you give us instructions.
(There is no need for dogma, but you got to do it like this???)

I see it more as a suggestion. Because the details are still up to you. Ideas, possible solutions, helpful hooks & anchors. All that is fair and good. because it leaves the field wide open.
when I have a student, I give them rules, which after a while, I break myself, or force my apprentice to break them. rules are a common ground. people have been conditioned to go by rules and forget responsibility. you have to reprogram to get rid of them.
It is a matter on how far someone has ventures already.

we think of a group, but the people in the group are individuals.

especially in a group they aren't

I see no wrong in checking out Buddhism or any other religion, as long as you keep thinking for yourself.

which will hopefully keep you away from any of them.

 

[Meduzz]

My guess is that buddhists just want as less metabolism as possible, this is the case with food and drugs. And drugs aren't needed for survival so they are frowned upon.

 

[GOD]

"actually it is easier done then said. that is the main problem, why almost no one gets there"

Please explain .

 

[psm]

"actually it is easier done then said. that is the main problem, why almost no one gets there"

Please explain .

would be rather paradox if i did, wouldn't it?


the only thing i can do, is to explain why it is harder to explain, I cannot explain how to do it easier.

the complexity of the universe from a human standpoint is self-imposed. we can not believe the simplicity of the grand masterpiece, because it would define ourselves as simple. so for the last 5000 or more years, we read complexity into it. we created bullshit stories of old voyeuristic men in the clouds, that created everything - which, as a side-effect removed our obligation to responsibility.
we started to interpret and to mystify. also to control the truth of all. only the wise, the sage, the shaman, the priest was able to talk to god. it was not for the mortals. and so slavery of the minds began.
the truth is, that it is the easiest of all thing to see the light. it is us, we are it. we are part of universe, we are god. we are connected on the same level as everything else. and simply being is our general stage. but since we are concerned about a strangers impression of us, or the past and even worse, the future, we ceased to exist.

it might feel hard to get back to the base of ourselves, but it is not, because it is the most natural stage. all the mumbo jumbo we came up with, to reconnect is just a long way workaround. none of it is needed.

But for most, this is pure theory, because their soul, their mind and heart are covered in mud and dirt and shit, poured over them by a system out of control. by a society that does not give a shit. by religion, that wants to keep you away from being god, because it would show their failure. and pride is the dicks ego, the bigger it is, the stronger you feel, the more an idiot you are.

we need to wash away all that crap. psychedelics can do so for a short while. meditation and tantra (sex general) and laughter. all that can give a glimpse of whats underneath the pile of dirt we call humanity.

 

[magickmumu]

What is the difference between instructions and dogma ????

doesn't Christianity give instructions to get into heaven.
And Buddhism for freeing yourself from Samara???

Or am I talking crap here????


Dogma is something you don't question. While instructions are free?????

 

[Telico]

As BrainEater said, words can cause misunderstandings, because they're an unsufficient mean to communicate, no matter how rich is your vocabulary. And also because words can have many meanings. Therefore when GOD said "instructions" I think that by "instructions" he meant "recommandations" or "advice", which in others is something that you should listen but not forced to follow . Or maybe I'm wrong. ^^

doesn't Christianity give instructions to get into heaven.

It does, but these instructions are quite compulsory for Christians. But these "instructions" can be seen as "recommandations" by people who don't believe in Christianty, in other words they can read those instructions but are still absolutely free to follow them or not. To make the analogy, I think that most people here are really smart, hence they can see what GOD said as a recommandation, not a compulsory instruction.

Peace.

 

[GOD]

""actually it is easier done then said. that is the main problem, why almost no one gets there"

Please explain that sentance , in simple english and not just talk around the question please .

 

[psm]

Or am I talking crap here????
Dogma is something you don't question. While instructions are free?????

You are not talking crap. it does indeed look like it usually. but that is a brainwashing technique. it makes you believe that it is a guide, an instruction. but if you listen/look closely you will see it is a dogma.

What is the difference between instructions and dogma ????

the difference is, that a dogma is an indisputable "truth" you have to accept (e.g. don't sin, or go to hell).

Instructions are guidelines. They show you a possible path, but leave it up to you, whether you follow it and how you do so.
If I would instruct you how to play pool, I would explain the physical basics (bouncing, angels, spin etc), the technical basics (how to hold a que, how to stand, how to aim, how to swing the arm for a right hit etc.) and then I would let you play and experience it. you can come back for details, or I might give you a few tips, but it is you who plays and sooner or later, you will gain your own style. you will be more comfortable and stand in a way that works for you, you would find the proper amount of force and get a hang of it.
In a dogmatic system, i would direct every single move, correct every false stand, would tell you when to hit what ball how and guide you by my own hand. so that it might be you holding the que, but it is not really you playing and you surley will not learn much and most likely never like pool...

 

[psm]

""actually it is easier done then said. that is the main problem, why almost no one gets there"

Please explain that sentance , in simple english and not just talk around the question please .

I did as good as I could.

You do realize, that you are asking me to solve a paradox, do you?

How many people do you know that saw the light. how many connected with god? became the universe? how many do you know?
was it easy for them to do? (especially the first time)
And now imagine, how hard it is to explain how to bring the thing, that has been disguised as the hardest thing to achieve, to fall. you cannot destabilize the reality of a person so much, to actually show them, that the thing, thought to be the most complex, is actually the easiest of all...

sorry, bro. i cannot solve a paradox. telling the absolute truth of all that exist would never be understood, because it is something you have to see with your own eyes. this is one of the few things in life, you really have to unfold yourself to really get it.

 

[GOD]

I think its your paradox . You dont seem to me to be talking about what i was talking about . I said the easyest thing to do if you want to look for god is to lie on your back , close your eyes , empty your head , stop the internal dialog and look . I cant think of any other method that is as easy to do . Not meaning its easy to get there , all though it is the easyest and most direct way . Looking for the answer in churches , in books , under stones and behind bushes can waste a whole life time . I am the light and i am the way = its in us .

I know one person that has looked for the light , and one person that has seen it/ been there / experienced it , however it can be defined . It took him several years but he got there . He got there through doing what i said with cannabis , with meditation , and through near death experiences . He also used dreaming to find the way but never got there through dreaming . He says it cant be explained or described so that other can fully understand , that it can only be experienced .

He says its in every one , that every one can find it if they look . The kingdom of heaven is within you . Seak and you will find . Ask and you will get an answer . Knock and the door will be opened .

He says that you dont need dogma , books or uniforms and that those things only confuse people . That most people play those ego games as a substitute because they dont trust themselves to get to the light . That they do it because they need leaders , shamans and guides to hold their hands and like a father figure take their responsibilitys for them .

 

[psm]

I think its your paradox . You dont seem to me to be talking about what i was talking about . I said the easyest thing to do if you want to look for god is to lie on your back , close your eyes , empty your head , stop the internal dialog and look . I cant think of any other method that is as easy to do . Not meaning its easy to get there , all though it is the easyest and most direct way . Looking for the answer in churches , in books , under stones and behind bushes can waste a whole life time . I am the light and i am the way = its in us .

I know one person that has looked for the light , and one person that has seen it/ been there / experienced it , however it can be defined . It took him several years but he got there . He got there through doing what i said with cannabis , with meditation , and through near death experiences . He also used dreaming to find the way but never got there through dreaming . He says it cant be explained or described so that other can fully understand , that it can only be experienced .

He says its in every one , that every one can find it if they look . The kingdom of heaven is within you . Seak and you will find . Ask and you will get an answer . Knock and the door will be opened .

He says that you dont need dogma , books or uniforms and that those things only confuse people . That most people play those ego games as a substitute because they dont trust themselves to get to the light . That they do it because they need leaders , shamans and guides to hold their hands and like a father figure take their responsibilitys for them .

so we totally agree...

I said it is the simplest of all things to do. you say the same thing. the fact, that you give some guidance is nice, but will not bring anyone closer to achieving it. because they will not be able to comprehend the simplicity of it.

 

[BrainEater]

I think its your paradox . You dont seem to me to be talking about what i was talking about . I said the easyest thing to do if you want to look for god is to lie on your back , close your eyes , empty your head , stop the internal dialog and look . I cant think of any other method that is as easy to do . Not meaning its easy to get there , all though it is the easyest and most direct way . Looking for the answer in churches , in books , under stones and behind bushes can waste a whole life time . I am the light and i am the way = its in us .

I know one person that has looked for the light , and one person that has seen it/ been there / experienced it , however it can be defined . It took him several years but he got there . He got there through doing what i said with cannabis , with meditation , and through near death experiences . He also used dreaming to find the way but never got there through dreaming . He says it cant be explained or described so that other can fully understand , that it can only be experienced .

He says its in every one , that every one can find it if they look . The kingdom of heaven is within you . Seak and you will find . Ask and you will get an answer . Knock and the door will be opened .

He says that you dont need dogma , books or uniforms and that those things only confuse people . That most people play those ego games as a substitute because they dont trust themselves to get to the light . That they do it because they need leaders , shamans and guides to hold their hands and like a father figure take their responsibilitys for them .

so we totally agree...

I said it is the simplest of all things to do. you say the same thing. the fact, that you give some guidance is nice, but will not bring anyone closer to achieving it. because they will not be able to comprehend the simplicity of it.

well put!

peace :weedman:

 

[GOD]

Blah , blah , blah , blah.............. You didnt say what i said . I talked about the ease of doing the method and you twisted it and started talking about the dificulty of getting there .

 

[psm]

Blah , blah , blah , blah.............. You didnt say what i said . I talked about the ease of doing the method and you twisted it and started talking about the dificulty of getting there .

you obviously did not read my posts, or at least did not intent to try understanding them. your bad

 

[magickmumu]

I think its your paradox . You dont seem to me to be talking about what i was talking about . I said the easyest thing to do if you want to look for god is to lie on your back , close your eyes , empty your head , stop the internal dialog and look . I cant think of any other method that is as easy to do . Not meaning its easy to get there , all though it is the easyest and most direct way . Looking for the answer in churches , in books , under stones and behind bushes can waste a whole life time . I am the light and i am the way = its in us .

I know one person that has looked for the light , and one person that has seen it/ been there / experienced it , however it can be defined . It took him several years but he got there . He got there through doing what i said with cannabis , with meditation , and through near death experiences . He also used dreaming to find the way but never got there through dreaming . He says it cant be explained or described so that other can fully understand , that it can only be experienced .

He says its in every one , that every one can find it if they look . The kingdom of heaven is within you . Seak and you will find . Ask and you will get an answer . Knock and the door will be opened .

He says that you dont need dogma , books or uniforms and that those things only confuse people . That most people play those ego games as a substitute because they dont trust themselves to get to the light . That they do it because they need leaders , shamans and guides to hold their hands and like a father figure take their responsibilitys for them .

And what is the kingdom of heaven???

What is it people are looking for.
Authenticity?
Peace of mind?
The light??

to me this is all very abstract, and how do we know where talking about the same thing?

I don't know if I am looking for something. :roll:

 

[GOD]

"And what is the kingdom of heaven??? "

It means that the answers to the spiritual things / truthes that people look for are within them .

"The light?? "

The light as in enlightenment . The light that has been described as the highest spiritual experience by many people , cultures , philosophys and religeons throughout the ages . God .

"to me this is all very abstract, and how do we know where talking about the same thing?"

Its not a thing that can be adequately described or explained . It can only be experienced . When you experience it and talk to others that have experienced it you and they will both know if the other is telling the truth . There are also false white light experiences , the person i was talking about also said that he had them to , but that once you have had the real thing there will be no way that you can confuse the two again .