a dream section

[GOD]

Isnt it strange ? , no esoterics section even thought the subject is much larger than dreams , but maybe a dream section !!!!

 

[mysticwarrior]

Here comes the reason why i don't think we need to create a "dream" section, it's because when we dream we are actually experiencing DMT we might as well use the DMT discussions to talk about dreams and say: " on my last manmade DMT trip..."

In fact your saying, when we use psychedelics like DMT we consciously submit some DMT to our brains, and when we dream, it just happens?

But dreams, are they not just as interesting as a DMT experience? Are dream experiences not closely related to a certain kinds of psychedelics?

 

[mysticwarrior]

Isnt it strange ? , no esoterics section even thought the subject is much larger than dreams , but maybe a dream section !!!!

I was also wondering, how this was possible....

 

[GOD]

"I was also wondering, how this was possible."

Thanks .

I wasnt wondering..........

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Even low dose DMT experiences do not resemble normal dreams. There's no proof that dreams are the result of endogenous DMT secretion, that was just part of Rick Strassman's initial hypothesis. It might be, but unless there are more indications that this is so, I wouldn't want to equate the two like that.

 

[mysticwarrior]

Even low dose DMT experiences do not resemble normal dreams. There's no proof that dreams are the result of endogenous DMT secretion, that was just part of Rick Strassman's initial hypothesis. It might be, but unless there are more indications that this is so, I wouldn't want to equate the two like that.

I still have to finish Rick strassman's book, this or next week i do have plenty of dmt. So i guess it would be interesting thing to finish his book for some good inspiration

I wasnt wondering..........

I was wondering why so many people did vote for a yes. Anyway, it's still is strange. Maybe it is just because we all have more with dreams then esoteric subjects.

It would it not be cool thing, to have a complete report section, where we could write reports and categorise it under different the many different psychedelics, where the dream section also could be a part of. I am sure, i would visit it regulary and would find it really interesting to read those reports. In this way you could get a idea about, what effects the different psychedelics produce. I know we can post reports on the joomla part, but that part is a little crapy. And i really don't like to read that part....

Anyway, i think it would be a good thing. To expand everything just a little. What do you guys think?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I still have to finish Rick strassman's book, this or next week i do have plenty of dmt. So i guess it would be thing to finish his book for some good inspiration

It's a nice book, but not exactly inspiring. At least the conclusions of his research weren't really encouraging. Whereas psilocybin and LSD studies have all shown positive short and long term results, that was not generally so for the DMT flash.

 

[mysticwarrior]

I still have to finish Rick strassman's book, this or next week i do have plenty of dmt. So i guess it would be thing to finish his book for some good inspiration

It's a nice book, but not exactly inspiring. At least the conclusions of his research weren't really encouraging. Whereas psilocybin and LSD studies have all shown positive short and long term results, that was not generally so for the DMT flash.

It's already a while back that i started with reading his book, but for some reason i forgot to read it. This happen regulary when i start reading ebooks. When i am behind my computer, it's matter of minutes and stop reading and start to work on something else

I stopt reading when he just started his first experiments, but i think i start reading his book again, from of the beginning. Tough, i found it a little inspiring, just because the realms that people enter who have ingested some DMT, are unbelievable. But the first part is a bit boring, because he explained how hard it was to permission to experiment wiith it, and how difficalt it was to get some DMT.

I did try DMT 2 times, but it where only low dossages, because i had a little more then 100mg and wanted to start carefully. But this or next week, i will have enough to experiment for a while I can't wait....

 

[Brugmansia]

Who has tried to take a nap, and tried to keep inner awareness while a few REM phases had past? It's just so sensitive because the smalles inbalance and contraction in thoughts and you're back to baseline, or either you let it go a little bit too much and you fall asleep.

But there is a way through the middle, except that I never practised it with sufficient patience, diligence and perseverance to crawl through.

 

[mysticwarrior]

Who has tried to take a nap, and tried to keep inner awareness while a few REM phases have past? It's just so sensitive because the smalles inbalance and contraction in thoughts and you're back to baseline, or either you let it go a little bit too much and you fall asleep.

But there is a way through the middle, except that I never practised it with sufficient patience, diligence and perseverance to crawl through.

I tried it many times, i also did try to lucid dream on this way. But i fall easy in a really deeeeeeep sleap, so it's just a matter of minutes and i am gone.

I only had two 2 lucid dreams that i can remember, but not that lucid that i could control it completely. But at least i had the awareness that i was dreaming.

 

[Brugmansia]

I never came far either, but I had managed it to get the music into a very mystical happening.

I don't think that actual lucid dreams are in anyway comparable with entheogens. Entheogens are just the much easier way to practise for our minds. But much less realistic.

I'd love to learn this, dreaming the impossible, but only if I could find a source or individual that actually gives a description of how to walk the internal course, instead of fantasies or groups which claim or refer to lucid dreaming while it's not.

I always wondered what the trick is behind datura.

 

[Forkbender]

It would it not be cool thing, to have a complete report section, where we could write reports and categorise it under different the many different psychedelics, where the dream section also could be a part of. I am sure, i would visit it regulary and would find it really interesting to read those reports. In this way you could get a idea about, what effects the different psychedelics produce. I know we can post reports on the joomla part, but that part is a little crapy. And i really don't like to read that part....

That's a good idea.

 

[Dantediv86]

mysticwarrior: well if you were to add DMT mixed with serotonin and cortisol i believe a state could be aceived, but cosider that manmade DMT is in much lower doses in our brains, than the amounts of freebase. plus consider the fact that being asleep changes our perception patterns thus we would be more sensitive to our thoughts than the external environment.

 

[Forkbender]

Even low dose DMT experiences do not resemble normal dreams. There's no proof that dreams are the result of endogenous DMT secretion, that was just part of Rick Strassman's initial hypothesis. It might be, but unless there are more indications that this is so, I wouldn't want to equate the two like that.

 

[Dantediv86]

yaeh yeah...i got it allright.

 

[????????]

So, you want a section where every dream can be discussed in a separate thread? If so, I think each topic that is opened there should start with "dream:...", or something like that, to avoid confusion on the front page.

not necessarily a thread for every dream someone has, but if there's a section for it people would be inclined to relate the remarkable ones that one never forgets. i know i have some.

I like the general idea of your experiments, except related to sleep deprivation, which was a one way ticket to insanity for two friends of mine. It shouldn't even be mentioned in the forum description.

what happened to them? i agree with you, i was actually very reticent to put it there but i couldn't think of anything else at the moment... and for the record the description is totally open for change, i just put it there so you all could picture it. (edit: changed it for circadian rhythms)

Isnt it strange ? , no esoterics section even thought the subject is much larger than dreams , but maybe a dream section !!!!

I was also wondering, how this was possible....

got plenty of free time for wondering, you two eh? the reason it is possible is because of major tom. i asked fork what he thought about it and he said he was open to the idea. hence i created the poll to see how many people out there would actually like the idea. there.

 

[Alias55A]

ya, mainly i just have a couple dreams i could ule help figuring out, and with discussions on them for us out there looking for some answers, we might be able to help each other find them, concering the meaning of dreams ofcourse...

 

[mysticwarrior]

got plenty of free time for wondering, you two eh? the reason it is possible is because of major tom. i asked fork what he thought about it and he said he was open to the idea. hence i created the poll to see how many people out there would actually like the idea. there.

To be honest, at the moment i got plenty of time

You don't misunderstand me, right? I just thought it was strange that people generally said no to esoteric and yes against a dream section.... Anyway i voted for a big "YES". And if i will remember my dreams when i wake up, maybe i would even take the time to post them. I do think dreams are in someway more important then the most people do agree. I also think it's a part of exploring the mind, so it is in my opinion closely related to psychonautism.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Here it is then: The Dreaming

Unfortunately I couldn't make Philippos moderator, because PhPbb doesn't recognize...oh wait, fixed! Φιλι

 

[mysticwarrior]

Great