WHY?

[ophiuchus]

"why make your puny mind dependant on such a biased word?? just call it all-creator, at least that's more accurate to what it IS"

i agree, but it's not just "us" that need this. and as such, i dont think that people should "jump into the deep end" with that kind of thinking, some peoples minds aren't meant to/arent ready to handle the concepts that way, and so, they should ease into this kind of thinking, and that's why i stick to using a word like 'god' when talking about these things, because we all have some sort of experience in dealing with this word. in using all-creator, or anything similar to it; yes, it is more accurate to the true nature of it, but they way things are now, i would say that for general stereotypical instances, 'god' is a more suitable term that will allow peoples minds to stay tuned into what you are saying when you refer to this, and they will hopefully not just jump to the assumption that one is a loony.

im picking up what you're putting down, but, stephen hawking probably wouldn't have gotten his concepts out there as easily, if he had only been using the specialized language of science. instead, he used layman terms to his advantage, and now most people have (if nothing else) at least a general concept of cosmology and quantum gravity... :idea:

 

[MindAsh]

my personal idea is that all of tis is a sort of way to alleviate eternal boredom more or less

 

[IJesusChrist]

oh yeah smart guy? give us the laymans terms for quantum gravity :wink:

 

[BrainEater]

the power of imagination

 

[ophiuchus]

thing is, it can take a whole book to explain one concept... you think i should write a book? aww thanks :lol:

 

[ophiuchus]

to answer the original question..

"I want to know what you guys think the reason that all this shit is here?"

the reason is to create a reason.

there is no one reason.

it's about the creating of it

 

[JustinNed]

I just skimmed through the replies but I was thinking similiar to this....

If you all accept the notion that the universe is of infinite size, than mathematically the "possibility" of life is enormous. In fact, somewhere out there are countless exact copies of Earth that only vary by a single detail. In an infinite universe given enough time, every possibility will play out. You have an uncountable number of clones out there who only vary from you by a single decision or action or event. Life cannot be rare, but the distances involved in traveling to these locations are extremely prohibitive.

Maybe the question isn't why are we here, however "How could we NOT be here"?

 

[zezt]

the thing about CHAOS ~~~~~is this. your likkle one-step-at-a-time choppity chip chop analysis measuring stick cannot and will never fathom 'it'. it is the infinite giggle SOURCE of your giggle. Feel me?

 

[ararat]

I tried to think about the why for some time, but my mind always ended up in a ditch. If there is this one God, where did he come from, where does the potentiality for (his) existence root? is this world being carried by a turtle, which stands on a turtle, which stand on a turtle, which stands on a turtle, all the way ad infinitum?

The question "why?" asks for the cause of something, or does it? it assumes that there is a doer and the thing being done, subject and object, a this causing a that. this is nothing but a mentation, based on reason, logic and foremost language, all of which are structured dualistically and thus incapable of touching the core of existence/life/God.
The term "cause" is an abstract hypothesis, an intellectualization that has no concordant substrate in Reality. No "Why?" can be answered and still stay within nonlinear Reality, all answers would jump to hypothetical suppositions, which root in the linear realm of the mind.

All questions cease in the presence of the Self, it all appears self explanatory in itself. By "the presence of the Self" I mean those holistic states one ends up after/during tripping when you are lucky, or after long sessions of yoga/meditation.
if you say that all is one, and you spin these thoughts further, then this One is God. if God is all that is, then the very substrate of your and my consciousness is God/the Self. if you look close enough, you will see the Self (YOU) in the eyes of every person, in some it's easier, in some harder. it was an unbelievably loving and uniting experience for me, especially since I tend to act rather shy.
Don't get hung up on the words, there is a reason Buddha called it An-atman, the not-self, or why Zen Buddhists don't talk about it at all and just wave their stick in the air or ask you to finally wash your dish.

Why does the tree grow the way it does? What about the cauliflower? it does so for no specific reason, it just does, and it's a dance of form, of pure ecstasy, love and gratitude. there is no goal to be achieved other than just being what it is. (that's the next point, the question "why?" asks for the purpose, even more so than for the cause)

I once brought it up, and I'm going to do so again:
Does life feel so insignificant that one needs to start to look for a purpose, a reason?

 

[IJesusChrist]

My trips seem to always answer "why" but the answer seems so impossibly complex I cannot understand it, I cannot repeat it, and I cannot remember it.

There seems to be no single idea or single answer great enough, all I have ever been presented with is a distorted, contorted, psychodelic picture of the universe - and how it can be viewed from multiple perspectives. That really only seems to be the only answer possibly given - [your] perspectives.

 

[ararat]

reflecting back on the post I wrote up there, a quote by Wittgenstein came to my mind, and it's actually the only piece of information by him that reached me: "Whereof one cannot speak, thereof one should remain silent"
a very beautiful quote, if you ask me

 

[ophiuchus]

the thing about CHAOS ~~~~~is this. your likkle one-step-at-a-time choppity chip chop analysis measuring stick cannot and will never fathom 'it'. it is the infinite giggle SOURCE of your giggle. Feel me?

i liked that

 

[ophiuchus]

banana pancake said it as well as i would hope to.