Why do we do it?

[IJesusChrist]

Really, WHY do we do it?

Why do we take these things? These foreign chemicals? Why do we stress our minds so? I've never met a person who has said every trip they've had was all good. Why challenge?

Why not live sobereity?

Life is such a blessing itself, why alter it's perception so? How do we go about growing with such substances, what is it that benefits us? Do we learn something that really benefits ourselves? What would we have been like if we never would have done any? What would the sober us be like? More successful, happy? Stupid, ignorant, foolish? Dead?

What is it that makes us change ourselves?

 

[tryptonaut]

It's pretty boring if you do nothing but eat and sleep. Sure you can be "happy" that way, but a little adventure is the spice that makes everything interesting, isn't it?

 

[IJesusChrist]

escapeism.

 

[Teonanacapilli]

exploration.

 

[mindsiyk]

for me its as u said... to escape, just to let go of all life's problems and appreciate just being human.
also i take them because it makes u become more in touch with music.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I'd say I do them for exploration, I do them to make connections - I feel incredibly more intelligent within the few days after. Just after my DMT trip I saw a good deal more than I usually would, the same day. It's just the ability to make grand things simple, and in some ways, vice-a-versa

 

[Teonanacapilli]

I need to expand on my statement. It isn't always only exploration. Sometimes escape, like you guys said. Also for entertainment and inspiration. They inspire me artistically and with how to lead my life. Entertaining my senses like nothing else can, sometimes.

I can escape my problems temporarily through a trip or permanently through how I integrate the experience.

To answer one of your other kweschons, the sober me would likely be dead. Literally dead from stress and anxiety, I wouldn't have survived high school without weed. Which makes me wonder why I think I could take University without weed (and I doubt I could do it with weed, with its effects on memory).

 

[Brugmansia]

Time and space is relative, my Self getting oblivious of this closes the subtle micro vibrations which allow me to drink life itself to its finest. Seeing, perceiving and sensing the notes, codes and strings; rather than being a dazzled sheep with numbed antenna's.

 

[IJesusChrist]

nanna, universities require different drugs: amphetamines cough ritalin, cough. shameless semi-addiction I have :\

Brug, I like that. Drink life itself. You experience the entire spectra of awareness, and yes - if you're prone - you're antennas will grow

 

[VerusDeus]

"I've never met a person who has said every trip they've had was all good. Why challenge?"

In my experience the bad experiences on psychedelics are the most beneficial to your psyche. They make you appreciate life more, and give you more 'mental strenght' to withstand unpleasant situations. That and I think they are the most confronting trips, just being faced with all the critique you have on your own being.

Why we use 'alien' chemicals to alter our consciousness to these levels is very simple in my opinion: we are a generation of humans lacking immensely in patience. And the only other way to reach these states of consciousness is by extreme perseverance and discipline in meditation and other practices. Not only do most of us lack the discipline and perseverance for it, but it is also quite hard to combine with modern life(jobs, education and entertainment cost a lot of time but are definite priorities to the modern Homo sapiens )

 

[Teonanacapilli]

+1 to that man. I have always told my friends that my bad trips are far better for me than good trips. What you learn seems more valuable when you go through such an ordeal. My bad trip lessons seem to have a more pronounced and lasting effect than my good trips.

But I've never had a trip that was bad from start to finish, so that may be a factor.

 

[VerusDeus]

Good that you mention it!
Indeed those 'bad trips' have all lasted untill a certain point, and then suddenly all the negativity vanishes and the trip becomes blissful rather than frightful. And I haven't had a trip that was bad from the start either. So no, this may not necessarily apply to 100% continuusly bad trips(if they exist, I really don't know). I guess it is sort of similar to Ayahuasca rituals, where every tripper is supposed to undergo the 'purge', aside from the usual divine moments of truth.

Anyway sorry for digressing from the actual debate here

 

[IJesusChrist]

100% continuusly bad trips(if they exist, I really don't know).

Welcome to the last 3 years of my life

I am just fearful - the panic of never touching baseline again grabs me and destroys me. The glimpses of life inbetween death are beyond measurable however. But no, bliss is not a factor I have ever experienced until a few days ago.

 

[VerusDeus]

Then I feel really sorry for you man! I can relate to it in a way though, I am also very prone to paranoia and neurotic-like pretty much irrelevant fear. But there is only one thing to do, face it, lean into it. Once you realise how precious life really is, it's actually hard to waste your time in fear.

And fear isn't necessarily a bad thing. It's an emotion to enhance concentration and whatnot when you really need it. As long as you have some degree of control over it, it shouldn't bother you that much.

But I don't really know what it is exactly that you're going through, so my apologies if I seem to trivialise the problem you are having. I always felt like you are really quite an intelligent guy by the way, so you should be fine I think. Give it some time(and perhaps some effort).

Peace!

 

[Brugmansia]

I've never met a person who has said every period of their life they've had was all good. The entheogenic state of awareness is no distraction from life, but merely perceiving the micro bricks from where the sculpture of life is made of. The ability to hold them in front of a microscope in order to witness each brick individually.

If one feels there's truly not a false synergy between these micro bricks, there's no point to believe that the ingestion of a substance will solve the psychological boundry through the connection with something outer life or the obtainance of new energy outside the mind itself. If one is going that path, watch out for thin ice, goggles, sunglasses and star trek.

I have found out that speaking my own mind with minor subjectivity, can do the same as an entheogenic experience. Tripping just makes the acknowledgement of what's really going much on much more a spontaneous happening as somewhere during the journey it becomes inevitable.

By the way, remember to practice wise use of cacti and cannabis. For the length in days, they're allied in a prodigious way. Line 303 for the cactus, fall "asleep", dream wide awake in your corpus.

 

[IJesusChrist]

don't worry about me - I am my own psychologist, doctor, and friend (when need be) and I get along just fine.

My trips have fear, paranoia and psychosis melting within them because that is who I am. I question too far - I analyze too much. I thrive on the knowledge, and get beaten by its cane of terror. I have come to accept my trips like to test me... greatly.

 

[Brugmansia]

Also connecting the subconsciousness to my external daily life perspective, the learnt relaxtion and calmth allows me to concentrate more efficiently. Doing more in less time. An ability which I greatly nourish when studying any form of information for a future examination.