I just find that if used correctly. It could be a good beginner substance, just to understand what a altered state feels like. Some people would be over stimulated if there first altered state was on LSD. And as always you would have to understand how to use MDMA or any substance appropriately. I believe the parents still did a good job in easing there daughter into psychedelics through literature, and understanding, before letting her try a little of anything mind altering; and only after she expressed interest herself.
What would you tell your kids?
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How old are we talking here?
7?
11?
15?
For psychedelics, it's probably not *that* big a deal for a young person to experience that state, hell, kids are psychedelic in their own right anyway.
Getting hifgh on cannabis is one thing....I'd say, not before 16 or 17 for it....
LSD, I'd advise a person to wait as long as they could before they did it, hopefully to 18 or so minimum.
Same with X.....
Abstinence from booze and cigs, too.
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7?
11?
15?
For psychedelics, it's probably not *that* big a deal for a young person to experience that state, hell, kids are psychedelic in their own right anyway.
Getting hifgh on cannabis is one thing....I'd say, not before 16 or 17 for it....
LSD, I'd advise a person to wait as long as they could before they did it, hopefully to 18 or so minimum.
Same with X.....
Abstinence from booze and cigs, too.
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As I wrote on page 1.
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a moral dilemma...
my daughter asked me what the funny smelling stuff was i put in my cigarettes one day. (she was 8 )
i was suprised to say the least because i didnt smoke it in front of her, or in the house. she said she could smell it on my clothes too.
i told her i was very naughty and shouldnt smoke it, its kind of like a medicine but the doctor never give me it, and i asked her what have i told her about that before?.. she said, "never ever take other peoples medicines unless the doctor has given you it."
there had been a couple of instances of young children bringing drugs to school they had swiped off there parents and handing it out to other kids, unfortunately the child like images sometimes put on the other drugs is confusing to a child, so i had previously lectured her on tablets been medicine, and very dangerous to take and would make her very poorly unless the doctor himself said she was too have them, and me or mum would always be there at doctors to know as well.
she told me off for been naughty... :roll:
i think its important to educate them even at a very young age about drugs, but theres limitations to what you can say to them at an early age.
where i live by 13, kids playing out especially are regularly exposed to various drugs the other kids are taking, at that age id tell them the truth.
id rather my kids never take drugs personally.. but if they did id like to believe they could tell me, not be afraid to come home in a state because id go mad, and be able to ask me questions i would answer truthfully, rather than their fucking mate tell them a pile of shit.
my daughter asked me what the funny smelling stuff was i put in my cigarettes one day. (she was 8 )
i was suprised to say the least because i didnt smoke it in front of her, or in the house. she said she could smell it on my clothes too.
i told her i was very naughty and shouldnt smoke it, its kind of like a medicine but the doctor never give me it, and i asked her what have i told her about that before?.. she said, "never ever take other peoples medicines unless the doctor has given you it."
there had been a couple of instances of young children bringing drugs to school they had swiped off there parents and handing it out to other kids, unfortunately the child like images sometimes put on the other drugs is confusing to a child, so i had previously lectured her on tablets been medicine, and very dangerous to take and would make her very poorly unless the doctor himself said she was too have them, and me or mum would always be there at doctors to know as well.
she told me off for been naughty... :roll:
i think its important to educate them even at a very young age about drugs, but theres limitations to what you can say to them at an early age.
where i live by 13, kids playing out especially are regularly exposed to various drugs the other kids are taking, at that age id tell them the truth.
id rather my kids never take drugs personally.. but if they did id like to believe they could tell me, not be afraid to come home in a state because id go mad, and be able to ask me questions i would answer truthfully, rather than their fucking mate tell them a pile of shit.
Maybe the trick is to say nothing unless you become aware that your child / children are experiencing these things?
Merely keep them on the straight in the often confusing world. However, Make sure they know these substances exist and the effects they include.
Merely keep them on the straight in the often confusing world. However, Make sure they know these substances exist and the effects they include.
Regarding input on kids in culturally crashing levels one must be aware they receive direct flow from the institutions.
Take School for example: "Mommy mommy! Craig says drugs are not bad. He says his parents told him they weren't."
...:roll:
A sistemic non-adultocentric, beyond prize/punishments motivations creativity development, responsability recognizing "education" (quotes because this resignifies the meaning of education) must come along in my opinion.
Children empowerment. Ofcourse, this is age sensitive, and specific to the subject.
Take School for example: "Mommy mommy! Craig says drugs are not bad. He says his parents told him they weren't."
...:roll:
A sistemic non-adultocentric, beyond prize/punishments motivations creativity development, responsability recognizing "education" (quotes because this resignifies the meaning of education) must come along in my opinion.
Children empowerment. Ofcourse, this is age sensitive, and specific to the subject.
hmm i've been wanting to tell my little sister that i smoke weed.... in fact i've entertained the idea of smoking in front of her, to demystify the whole thing. then informing her about all the bs that's going around about it, a bit about the fact humans have been getting high since the paleolithic and you know, all that about not swallowing info just like that, think for yourself and question everything... thing is i haven't had the courage to actually do it... i want to do it when it feels right.
and about kids, i'd be 100% honest on everything. i've found that when someone tries to awkwardly embellish an argument it usually backfires so i'd spill the beans right away. i don't like it when people dumb-down stuff when they talk to kids. i still remember i could smell the phoniness in their condescending attitude myself when young.
that's definitely a concern and i don't know the answer... i guess i'd tell mine to report everything they say or get told about the topic so i could comment on it! or maybe this would be yet another topic to discuss, the fact that you just can't talk about these things with everyone.
and about kids, i'd be 100% honest on everything. i've found that when someone tries to awkwardly embellish an argument it usually backfires so i'd spill the beans right away. i don't like it when people dumb-down stuff when they talk to kids. i still remember i could smell the phoniness in their condescending attitude myself when young.
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that's definitely a concern and i don't know the answer... i guess i'd tell mine to report everything they say or get told about the topic so i could comment on it! or maybe this would be yet another topic to discuss, the fact that you just can't talk about these things with everyone.
How old is your little sister ????????? I think showing yourself in that state would be quite interesting. It would definately destroy some prejudices. I wish somebody would have done that when I was younger. I had a big fear of any drug until the age of 20.
Thanks for the report Lucien. She sounds like a lucky girl. The only thing that concerns me though is the fact that the mother seemed to find it useful to trip in the presence of her daughter when she was younger. That is something I would never do.
I agree with you. The thing that bothers me that when we are honest about psychedelics, we probably have to tell them to "keep it a secret" as well. I don't think many schools would accept the fact a child talks positively about LSD, weed and mushrooms.
Thanks for the report Lucien. She sounds like a lucky girl. The only thing that concerns me though is the fact that the mother seemed to find it useful to trip in the presence of her daughter when she was younger. That is something I would never do.
But the music kept beckoning, didn't it?Mara a dit:
There's nothing wrong with teaching a child that keeping a secret can be a very noble thing to do. Not all secrets are bad. When your best friend tells you something and asks you not to tell anyone, your ability to keep it to yourself reflects your trustworthiness and character. In the modern world, the Matrix we live in, we all have to keep certain information to ourselves sometimes. If a child cannot grasp this concept, he or she isn't ready for psychedelic initiation yet, and you'd better keep your stash out of sight.
Yes. Fortunately my children are going to a school where many parents talk about their experiences with santa maria (marijuana) and daime (ayahuasca). One five year old girl even got a sip of daime recently. So I'm not very concerned about that anymore.
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where could I read this report, please?
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Because if something goes wrong with your children, you might not be able to help them. When I do a mushroomtrip, I am paralized for ten hours straight. And there is a risk you will have a bad trip, lose control, how will you be sure your children are safe? I myself have not felt like I could do something unexpected while tripping, but I have heard the stories from people pretty close to me. People who had quite a lot of experience with mushrooms or LSD suddenly turning agressive or anxious. I would never want my children to see me in this state or even risk involving them in my trip.
I still have to make up my mind if this is the same for older (let's say 18+) children. But little children I would never risk it to give them the feeling they are not safe with their own mother.
I think with brothers and sisters this is different, as the whole relationship is different, you both learn from eachother and share experiences.
For sure there should be another parent around who's not tripping. If everything is taken care of this way, interaction with children while in the altered state may stir very strong parental emotions, and insight into neglected emotional needs of the child perhaps. I wouldn't recommend it, but I can imagine that in some situations it could be beneficial for the parent-child relationship.Mara a dit:
It's clear from the account that this particular mother was living in some sort of "psychedelic community", so there would have been many experienced caretakers around. And that's an important point, I think, and one of the reasons why indigenous people, who live in tribes, can easily combine parenthood with their entheogenic activities.
Yes, but what I find is rather important is, that a trip from the outside looks quite weird and may even strengthen the alienation to drugs. I know I am exaggerating but if a kid sees you - lying around, with absent-minded eyes, barely moving, smiling stupidly etc.
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well the girl of the report was less than five years old at the time so i don't think she remembers anything. but yeah what you portray would be really freaky!
mara and getafix: i agree with everything you said
Again, this is something you would explain to your children way in advance: "Just like someone dreaming may make funny sounds or move restlessly with eyes closed, so people will act a little unusual when tripping. But, and this is an important but, they will not behave inappropriately, like a drunk mummy or daddy would do. It's a temporary "trance state", during which a person tends to feel like an angel but ramble like a crazy hippy. You can laugh about it if you want, we all do." Something along those lines.restin a dit:
depends on the age i think kids could understand everything there except maybe 'trance state'
on a bit of a different note
this is a decent way of getting busted or ousted in your community lol
kids blurt out whatever comes into their heads, do you think they wont tell their friends? and in turn one will tell his parent and so on
but if your open about it to people i guess it wouldnt matter, other than cops
on a bit of a different note
this is a decent way of getting busted or ousted in your community lol
kids blurt out whatever comes into their heads, do you think they wont tell their friends? and in turn one will tell his parent and so on
but if your open about it to people i guess it wouldnt matter, other than cops
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