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What was your birth like?

What was your birth like?

  • it was considered an easy delivery

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  • it was a very difficult, prolonged delivery

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  • it was a difficult delivery, ending in a Caesarian section

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  • it was an easy delivery, but a Caesarian section

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  • the delivery was OK, but there were complications afterwards

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  • I was born way too early

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As far as I know my birth was an easy one. I was born one day early I think, and right after midnight... which I think somehow relates to my tendancies to be nocturnal 0_0.
I was born not crying too much,
[unlike my brother who came out screaming realllyyy loud supposedly:
he still is loud when he wants attention']
and with a head full of hair, like a mohawk.
I was really curious as a baby: still am. :)
 
C-section. Was fine... from all I know.

Spooky: Full moon I was born! OoOooo :twisted:
 
i was born almost a month early, jaundiced and with a stopped heart. it was the early 70's and my mother never saw me for 2 weeks. my mother smoked and drank through her pregnancy(and her whole adult life)

im one of the "I was born way too early"
 
From what I know, it took some time (3 hours or something) to get me out, but everything was ok and normal.

Hope this can help your research =)
 
Hope this can help your research =)
I want to post the same poll at a metal forum I know, and see the percentages there. Perhaps some of you know other forums that could be used to compare these data? Because from the results of the poll I'm starting to suspect the following:

Those who had a relatively easy birth will respond well to psychedelics, even if taken independently and without a sitter. Their experiences may of course be rough because of other factors (set, setting, childhood traumas, and the inherent intensity of the drugs themselves), but they will not "become" psychotic or decide to discontinue using these substances. Hence long-term users of psychedelics, i.e. psychonauts, tend to be those individuals who have less need for a therapist to guide them through the perinatal experiences and into the transpersonal realms.

If the poll on the metal forum would show a significant shift towards difficult deliveries, it would confirm my suspicion that a difficult birth makes one fearful of these substances (unless they are offered in a psychotherapeutic context, which is no longer available, or in a purely recreative context with low dosages).

By the way, I got a response from Stan Grof's secretary, in answer to my question about birth through a planned (i.e. relatively easy) Caesarian Section:

There are several pages on this subject in Stan Grof's book Beyond the Brain and a specific book on this topic is Jane English's A Different Doorway: Adventures of a Caesarean Born.
 
All I ever heard about my birth was that I was two weeks late - that's how everybody in my family always teased me, because I tend to be always late. They always told me "no wonder you're late, you've been like that since day one!"
Then also, most kids are born at night, or at crazy hours like 5 in the morning. I was born at noon, two weeks late from what the doctors had predicted. I was like a naturally born stoner ;)

I was going to have a baby brother when I was 4 or 5, but he died before being born (like in the 7th month or so). I totally didn't realize how hard that must have been for my mother (although she'd been almost 40 at the time).
I grew up an only child, can't say how that affected me (I don't know anything else)
 
i had a fairly long birth and i came out both upside down and backwards haha
i guess it explains my personality
no joke though i really did lol
 
Today I asked my mother about my birth, and there were many aspects I had not been aware of before. For example, my mother was sleeping when I was born (general anesthesia, not local like they often do today) and we were united several hours later. We stayed in the hospital for one and a half weeks before I got to interact with the rest of my family. During those one and a half weeks I only saw my mother during the day, though I didn't sleep in her bed.

Now that I know this information, I will start reading the rest of the following article: The Emotional Ramifications of Being born in a Caesarean Delivery by Amy Lauren Shapira.

Before I called my mother, I had read this much:

The Perinatal Experience of the Caesarean Born

English (1994), in her article "Being Born Caesarean: Physical, Psychosocial and Metaphysical Aspects", presents a map describing the perinatal experience of the non-labor caesarean outlining each step of the caesarean delivery and how these could be subjectively experienced by the baby being delivered. She then explains how this experience of being delivered by caesarean differs from the experience of being born vaginally which could account for distinct habits, expectations and personality traits in the caesarean born.

Before any procedure is begun, English (1994) describes the subjective experience of the unborn child as "primal oceanic union" with the mother. This union is disturbed by general anesthesia used in surgery which could be experienced by the unborn child as poisoning and being attacked (when regional anesthesia is used there may be less sense of aloneness as the mother's consciousness is still present). The next procedure is the incision made in the mother's abdomen and uterus. This, English states, could be shocking to baby who is still unified physically and psychically with the mother.

The obstetrician then abruptly pulls the baby, who is still very much in a state of cosmic union, out of the womb (English, 1994). Noble (1993) states, that the non-labor caesarean is physiologically not ready for delivery at this point, since his systems, have not gone through the hormonal changes which prepare them for birth. In addition, the baby may experience lack of oxygen as he is lifted up above his blood supply (Noble, 1993; English, 1994). Delivery of the baby is followed by cutting the umbilical cord (English, 1994).

English (1994) believes it is necessary to include the encounter with the obstetrician as part of the birth. The encounter, she states, consists of a struggle with the obstetrician who suctions the baby's airways (because the amniotic fluid is not squeezed out of the lungs, as in vaginal delivery) and then forcefully stimulates the baby's breathing. But the encounter, according to English also includes an experience of bonding with the obstetrician which is the first to touch the baby and make eye contact with him. However, this new bond is soon broken as the baby is taken away to the nursery (English, 1994) and could be separated from the mother for as long as 24 hours (Noble, 1993).

It should be noted, that this experience may be different for caesareans being delivered more recently as some hospitals' caesarean protocols may be advanced. For example, some hospitals may use regional anesthesia enabling the mother to be awake during the delivery. Some may permit the father to be present in the operating room and so forth. The experience is also partially different for the labor caesarean, who experiences some labor before being delivered by caesarean section.

It gets really freaky when the author describes goal orientation and relationships of people like me... Seems I've got issues... :oops:

Fortunately there's also good news. :D

English (1985) points out some positive aspects of being born caesarean:

"I think there is also a sense of pioneering and leadership among caesareans ... A certain strength comes from living outside the mainstream ... Caesarean birth is an ideal structure for allowing something new to come through into the world. It sets aside some deep patterns that have been common to all human culture. We begin to realize that we don't have to do some things the way people have been doing them for thousands of years" (p. 130)

English (1994) believes the caesarean born have easy access to transpersonal awareness. Feher (1981) too, appreciates the positive qualities of caesarean personality stating that a caesarean-born can be enthusiastic, spontaneous, and artistic.
 
funny I was just thinking about how the majority of US citizens being born in spots/centers "hospitals" could influence the collective unconscious.
 
FluidDruid a dit:
funny I was just thinking about how the majority of US citizens being born in spots/centers "hospitals" could influence the collective unconscious.
Well, it does influence the behavior of the generation growing up in that country. For example, consider the common practice of swaddling in many East-European countries, or the correlation between increased usage of anesthesia during deliveries and the rise of alcoholism and drug abuse. The increase of Cesarian births should also not be neglected. The way people are born and nursed influences their behavior throughout life, including their aggression, greed, sadistic tendencies, desire to fight or engage in war, abuse others, harm or kill themselves etc. For ten years now I was convinced that the future of this planet depends on improving parental skills and protecting children from outdated pedagogical and religious views. Now I realize I totally neglected the importance of the birth process. So sorry for the fact that all my recent posts revolve around this issue. I will probably focus on other things again after a couple of weeks, but for now I can think of nothing else.
 
In the c-section birth article, the majority off things they mentioned sounded like things that people in general feel like they might be doing and wanna be like. So I don't feel it as very valid at all.
 
mrvitorsky a dit:
In the c-section birth article, the majority off things they mentioned sounded like things that people in general feel like they might be doing and wanna be like. So I don't feel it as very valid at all.
You don't have to, these are just things to ponder over and be aware of in relationships and (psychedelic) therapy. I don't know which article you're referring to, but the following citation is from Cesarean Birth and Psychotherapy, by Jane English (emphasis in italics is mine, sentences in bold describe dynamics that are clearly pronounced in my life).

Caesarean Personality

The following summary of some of the characteristics of people born non-labor caesarean is based on my own personal process, on observation of and conversation with other caesarean born people, and on observations by therapists, doctors, nurses, and parents of caesareans. These characteristics are by no means unique to caesarean born people; they are perhaps just more pronounced. This is a preliminary formulation of this material, and the process of gathering more information is continuing.

One way of conceptualizing this material that I have found useful is in terms of the drama of non-labor caesarean birth. Union with the mother is disturbed by the anaesthesia used in the surgery, followed by the experience of the cutting open of the mother with whom the child is still unified physically and psychially. The child then begins to emerge into the world still very much in a state of cosmic union, then experiences being unwillingly and abruptly pulled out of the womb. Though the actual birth could be considered complete at this point, I have found it necessary to include as part of the birth the encounter with the obstetrician. The struggle with the doctor who forcefully stimulates breathing is not unlike labor, and there also seems to be something that can best be described as bonding with the doctor following this struggle. Soon after this, the bond is broken as the child is taken away to the nursery, and a physical and emotional shutting down may follow. This drama may be different for some recent caesareans as some hospitals are using local anaesthesia, allowing the father to be present, and allowing the mother to make eye contact with the baby and even to hold and breastfeed it immediately. The last stage of birth extends over a period of may years as the caesarean born person person transforms the melodrama learned from the experience of caesarean delivery and learns to choose to give birth to his or her self as an individual in the world.

Among the habits, expectations, and patterns, some of them paradoxical and contradictory, that might be learned in non-labor caesarean birth are:

-The expectation that nourishment will be followed by poisoning and attack.

-Defensiveness in relation to all approach; touch sensitivity and paradoxically a love of physical contact once the defensiveness has passed.

-Habit of opening only when exhausted or invaded.

-Some different residual body tension patterns, e.g., neck tensions related to the head being pulled rather than pushed in birth.

-Dependence, a feeling of needing to be rescued, inability to act on one's own, and paradoxically, an unwillingness to ask for help.

-Anger toward would-be helpers who fail to satisfy on a physical level the impossible demand of total rescue.

-Distortion of relationship and sexual patterns with people of the same sex as the obstetrician. Expectations of struggle and defeat, and of merging, bonding, and being totally cared for.

-Perception of self as separate, and paradoxically, less sense of personal boundaries.

-Easy access to transpersonal awareness but lack of appreciation of this capability because of having less sense of personal boundaries.

-Continual testing of limits and boundaries.

-Relationship patterns that are colorful, abrupt, intense, and arrow-like rather than like the waves of contraction and expansion that would be learned in labor.

-Little sense of process, expectation that a relationship either exists and doesn't need to be nourished, or doesn't exist and is impossible.

-Being not particularly goal oriented, feeling criticized for this, wanting to have goals but feeling unable to find any that seem real.

-Strong negative self-judgement that seems to be connected with not meeting others' unconscious expectations that the cesarian born know the relationship patterns and sense of limit learned in vaginal birth.

-Trust that help will always be there without one having to ask for it.
 
It was considered an easy delivery, but when I came out I had the umbilical cord around my neck, strangulating me, and then they had to suck out the amniotic fluid out of my lungs. I stayed blue for over an hour.
 
I'm going to ask my mother. She once told me that it was an easy delivery at home, but that is all she told me.
 
Well I think I was born without complications. But apparently the doctors thought I had a hole in my skull afterwards. I don't fortunately.

xx
 
well for me, a crappy way of being born, ile explain in short.

Ive talked to my mom about it several times and she admitted some things i didnt know, and some i figured.

My dad begged for a second son (me)
Night of my conception my dad was pale white? why i dont know
during birth i came out upside down, my nose was pushed in like pig for about 3 hrs, gave my mom the worst hemroids or whatever you call them out of us 3, (me being the youngest).(Vaginal birth by the way), and the doctor through me on her belly with my agaisnt hers for the first few minutes with the cord still attached(supposed to increase bonding with the mother and child or something old fashion tradition(born at a hospital too)).
my mom claims god wouldnt let her rest for weeks till she named me mark, and holder after a great great unlce or grandfather who was a babtist preacher(holder being my middle name).

And after that she said she (morned) my birth, (fucked up)

Tried to have a close relationshiop between my father but never got that father figure feeling from him i guess b/c he said i was irritating and took favorite to my brother who is the oldest of us two boys(i guess my dad should have been more carefull what he asked for).
Considered a moma's boy till i was in my teens and turned away from both as i lost my moms support b/c of my changing beleifs/ideals ect.. on life.
and apart from those holy rollers im pagan, and have been for 5 yrs now.

I havent read about the ways of being born yet, but i will after this post to see if it has anything to relate about mine. :D
 
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