What psychonautic plant would you write about?

[GOD]

If you mean that people have to take drugs to be a psychonaut......BOLLOCKS .

"A psychonaut (from the Greek ??????

 

[FluidDruid]

I think if you write about cannabis people will just turn off . Ibogaine hasnt got a bad reputation amongst normalos like cannabis has . They would be much more open and your research/writings would seem more original and aceptable if you did ibogaine .

yeah i totally agree to this.

I second that (from firsthand experience). Im sure i'll end up writing a report some time on DMT.

 

[FluidDruid]

- many people claim to be psychonauts
- few of them are, they are just interested in drugs

"Psychonaut is a modern term used to describe one who uses trance technologies and, more specifically mind-altering substances, more for their ability to act as entheogens than for their inebriating (or social) effect. In effect, they are used as a means to achieve states of mind in which different perceptions, unhindered by everyday mental filters and processes, can arise."

Hell yeah! also know as technoshamanism.

 

[druglessdouglas]

ive got something to confess: ive been using lettuce "recreationaly" for some time now

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

You say he's right, and the Wikipedia page supports it, but practically you don't seem to agree with it, because the drug-free "psychonauts" are people you call loonies, those involved with chakras, aura readings, crystals, crop circles and Sai Baba, people who imagine themselves to be sailing the mind, but actually indulging in different fantasies and beliefs. Go to some drug-free spirituality forums and see whether they're actually freeing and exploring their mind, or brainwashing and dulling their minds with narrowminded ideologies. How many practical examples do we have of drug-free psychonauts? Drug-free as in: never ever smoking cannabis and forgoing all opportunities to experience ayahuasca, mescaline or psilocybine. I think that in this day and age you must be pretty narrowminded and determined to stay in the dark about entheogens. If you're a psychonaut, you have an insatiable hunger for knowledge about the outer and inner worlds. Hence you will learn about entheogens and try them out. And so from a practical point of view I say "a psychonaut applies many methods, which includes entheogenic drugs". One may weaken the term psychonaut by implying that anti-drug folks can be psychonauts too, but I prefer not to. I don't consider a muslim a psychonaut, although some or many of his practices may be nondifferent from those of a genuine psychonaut. A genuine psychonaut goes into his own mind, doesn't let his mind be dictated by someone else, especially not by a book. I don't consider Buddhists psychonauts either. Simply put, any person that identifies with a group that already has a name, doesn't need another one. They already have a name that says it all. "Hindu, Sufi, Christian, devotee, Jehova's Witness, Mormon, Born Again, Sikh, Saivite, Vaisnava, Sannyasi, Sidha", all of these are followers, not psychonauts. Someone who doesn't identify with any of these names, who is on his or her own path, and wisely makes regular use of medicinal and magical plants, is a psychonaut. Define regular as you wish (once a month, once a year, once a decade), the point is that there's a willingness to regularly submit oneself to these ego dissolving mystical experiences. Not a determination to "do without" permanently.

 

[magickmumu]

I don't agree with Caduceus and find what he writes very narrow minded.
I don't thing one becomes a psychonaut by a willingness to regular submit oneself to psychedelcs/entheogenics. For me it's about the intention that you bring to the substance.
I think a Buddhist who practise his meditation with intention, is more of a psychonaut then party peeps who use psychedelics regularly for kicks.

. I think it's intention that makes one a sailor of the mind.

Peace to all the Sailors and remember
Faith Hope and Love. :wink:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I don't agree with Caduceus and find what he writes very narrow minded.

Well, it took exposure to a broad spectrum of groups and individuals to come to that narrow minded conclusion. You disagree with me on a number of matters, which is only natural since we have lived vastly different lives.

I don't thing one becomes a psychonaut by a willingness to regular submit oneself to psychedelcs/entheogenics. For me it's about the intention that you bring to the substance.

Read my post again, carefully. I'm not denying the importance of intention (as in "If you're a psychonaut, you have an insatiable hunger for knowledge about the outer and inner worlds."). You're turning things around. In the above sentence you say "I don't think one becomes a psychonaut..." Who's talking about becoming a psychonaut? We're trying to define what is a psychonaut. And what does it mean practically, not theoretically but practically, to be a psychonaut?

I think a Buddhist who practise his meditation with intention, is more of a psychonaut then party peeps who use psychedelics regularly for kicks.

This thread was about plants, not the pills and powders taken by party peeps. The group of party peeps is very vast and diverse, and it would be ridiculous to say they are all psychonauts. Some of them will be genuine psychonauts (spending their time between the parties in meditation, study and other wholesome activities), and many of them will just live for the weekend.

I think it's intention that makes one a sailor of the mind.

If someone has the intent of becoming a sailor, they will eventually sail themselves. If someone has the intent of becoming an astronaut, they will eventually fly off in a rocket themselves. If someone has the intent of studying the mind and dive into the soul by whatever means available, to be a genuine psychonaut, they will submit themselves to the standard method of transcending ordinary awareness: ingesting a psychedelic in a good set and setting.
Perhaps it will be useless trying to claim the term psychonaut for a specific subgroup (namely the entheogen-ingesting seekers of truth), just as the term shamanism has become so vague that it doesn't mean anything in particular anymore.

 

[magickmumu]

If you want to claim the term psychonauts strictly for entheogens users that's fine.
We can agree on that and use it that way.

It's not that important.
I did,t want to offend you.
Sorry if I did.

Sail well.

 

[Pariah]

Well interesting meander from the original topic, but nothing wrong with that I'd agree that the term psychonaut is somewhat subjective, but then I guess a lot of things are.

Here's a new development: I submitted my idea for writing about Ibogaine... and it got refused (!!) the professor (thats what they call them over here anyway) said she wants me to write about something "blander" ... It seems a bit strange that a lecturer in plants and civilisation has no interest in her students writing about ethnobotany...

Oh well, I'm sure I'll have a great time writing about rice or wheat once I get into it. :roll:

 

[????????]

ive got something to confess: ive been using lettuce "recreationaly" for some time now

:lol: :lol: :lol:

it got refused (!!)

what?? imagine if you had submitted cannabis! is her decision final? does she know the plant? did you actually explained to her what iboga does?

 

[magickpencil]

does she know the plant? did you actually explained to her what iboga does?

it seems to me as if she does know what iboga is, and that is the problem -

the professor (thats what they call them over here anyway) said she wants me to write about something "blander"

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Oh well, I'm sure I'll have a great time writing about rice or wheat once I get into it.

Would writing about industrial hemp be an option?

 

[ophiuchus]

pariah, im sorry your teacher sucks dick for a living