What is sanity?

[restin]

let me try, too.

I think sanity is acting according to a situation. So acting insane in an insane world is sane. So being sane according to our situation is actually going to work etc. We always reflect sanity in the mirror of the situation. In a schizophrenic world the one without it would be insane. Sanity is a prison is not sanity in a bureau.

 

[Psychoid]

If you include these people (who try to push there own ideas)
You can also include a lot of other people as well, Christians, Hara Krishna, politicians ect.

Yes (dunno what Hara Krishna is...) Not all christians are mentally ill though, in my opinion, only those who claim the bible is facts and if you don't believe in christianity you are going in hell and all that bullshit are.

I have known people who suffer from mental instability, Psychosis and schizophrenia.
I don't think we do justice to the people who suffer from these diseases, if we lump them together with these other people (people who try to push there ideas on to you)

You make a point here... I think we have to make a distinction between mentally ill and mentally unstable persons.

I think there is no straight line between sane and insane.

I think so too

A lot of people show "irrational" and "insane" behaviour of some kind from time to time. I also see it in myself sometimes (and then it scares me).

I think this is part of sanity. As I like to say:
Insanity is essential for sanity to occur: it's all a matter of balance.

So acting insane in an insane world is sane. So being sane according to our situation is actually going to work etc. We always reflect sanity in the mirror of the situation. In a schizophrenic world the one without it would be insane. Sanity is a prison is not sanity in a bureau.

You're talking about conformism here, not sanity.

I think sanity is acting according to a situation.

This is interesting. I think it's true.

 

[FluidDruid]

Well with a little bit of applied thermodynamics, philosophy, biology, astrophysics, and a whole lot of other resources; assuming quantum effects and the we are all ONE view in spirituality, you could view the sane, and reason for the majority of a population to be sane, the reason why time moves forward and not backwards, the reason that the stems of Salvia- Divinorum are all square, and why conformity is cool IS that... Ever since the "Big Bang" and its originating from a certain point of inconceivable amounts of matter, its explosion and ever expanding nature, the Reason for all of the above and lack of. IS Entropy! Since the universe is expanding outwards and not inwards, entropy increases. Now what is Entropy? Entropy is the measure of order or chaos in a system. The lower the entropy the higher the order (less chaos), the higher the entropy the lower the order (more chaos). At the conception of the universe there was extremely low entropy, and ever since has been expanding and increasing its entropy. If your wondering yes, the second law of thermodynamics states that this is the arrow of time and entropy reigns. Anyways now that, that is out of the way! If the universe is hurdling towards a state of chaos every measurable amount of time, this must mean that the objects with mass, especially living beings like us try to slow it down by restoring order to the universe with American Eagle Outfitters, Sanity, and to be Sane.

 

[GOD]

So what is sanity and insanity ? Define them please ?

 

[FluidDruid]

So what is sanity and insanity ? Define them please ?

Sanity is a conditioned mind, inSanity being its opposite I would suppose.. I was just giving reason for why most people are "sane".

 

[Guest]

please tell me why would i worry about what you think it is sane or insane.
if you are wandering about this, perhaps you should stop listening and try to work it out on your own. sanity, normality, evil, beautiful, are concepts which don't have a definition. just like cold, or hunger or a state of awe.
rationalizing these ideas is the best way to take the responsability out of yourself to the values everyone has to adopt.
but it is nice, isn't it ? i mean, to ask nice questions like that.

 

[restin]

You're talking about conformism here, not sanity.

That my definition of sanity. There is no ultimate sanity. My opinion.

 

[GOD]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insanity

 

[????????]

A sane person would be one who realizes the limits of his own insanity.

 

[restin]

Traditionally, insanity or madness is the behaviour whereby a person flouts societal norms

That's what I mean. But of course that's a simplified picture. Insanity is HUGE.

 

[Psychoid]

please tell me why would i worry about what you think it is sane or insane.

No reason to worry

but it is nice, isn't it ? i mean, to ask nice questions like that.

Yes. That's why I asked this question, I find those threads "What is..." always turn out to be a very interesting read. Plus it makes people think, which is nice too

Sanity is a conditioned mind.

Really? I disagree. Can you explain more what you think? For me, a conditionned mind is equal to a kind of "program", meaning that if you have a conditionned mind you're kind of like a robot, acting and saying things that it has learned to. I wouldn't call that sanity. I think sanity is, to the opposite, be able to always act according to the situation, but not automatically with a predetermined act which you have learned to do in X situation, but think and determine yourself what is the best thing to do.
But heh, where's the line?

That my definition of sanity. There is no ultimate sanity. My opinion.

Isn't it saner to be able to express its individuality rather than just conform to the majority?

 

[restin]

Isn't it saner to be able to express its individuality rather than just conform to the majority?

I never said I was sane But I think a lot of visualists are seen as being mad. Like a lot of artists. Because they express individuality and don't agree with the norms.

OK, this kind of madness is different from e.g. schizo. But talking about schizophrenia, it is basically a detachment from """""reality""""". I think sanity is something different than just an attachment to """""reality""""".

 

[Nomada]

Are you implying that I am schizophrenic or psychotic?

yes.
We are all, up to a certain limit schizophrenic AND psychotic. Read Freud.

Why do you think we are all constantly talking nonsense and completely out of reality? Why did you put reality between ""'s?

What do you see when you read a newspaper, watch TV, or talk to the myriads of culturally programmed ones (not that I'm king of free will or anything...)?
Don't know about you but I see madness. I see madness when I read Aristotle, Homer, Shakespeare, and the rest of the history's brigade. Nonsense makes sense.

What do you mean?

In a discordian rainbow way I was joking. You said you were confused tho you were sober; I just took credit for your confusion. :lol:

Because you're ascribing a language construct to a real person.

I'll try make myself more clear:
It's like the concept of what is human being. If you define human being as some first, second, third and so forth characteristics (conditions) and you start probing REAL human beings you will end up with two very large groups, humans and non-humans, both groups nonetheless, with human bodies. The mistake of definition is that it is supposedly referring to some nature, essence, principle that doesn't change and this is utterly wrong: All things are not given, they are constantly produced BY means of the direct human experience and action both individually and collectively. All things are processes, the contact between what is and what is not [potentiality, probability, etc]. If you ascribe a language construct, a symbolical, virtual [in that it is imaginary] idea to real persons you are not being objective because you are defining a person through ideas and not human experiences, collective enterprises, complexity of the universe, etc.

Of course the voice is NEVER in unison given. Everyone can get pathological with themselves, and with the rest of his/her surroundings. But the rest can get pathological with yourself as well. The collective overmind (culture) theater is language and this means that WORDS CREATE OBJECTS-you can apprehend this by thinking that words and ideas obscure any supposed reality in that they condition how we observe (observer dependency for example, the subject of observatory in science which leads directly to get cetacean world of epipstemology). And so this type of boundary between sanity/insanity can, and it is, used to ALIENATE (like the other made-vulnerable groups I mentioned in the first post...).
We can get very insane, but is that because there is a place called insanity that some have gone to AND/OR is it because we created it and put lots of people that don't fit in the DOMINATING LOGIC of correctly living AND/OR is it because we created a space called insanity AND/OR....AND/OR....AND/OR...???

schizophrenics in some cultures are taken very lovingly and revered because they are thought of being closer to God.


I won't be posting for a while. I'm on 26 hours of classes a week. It has been fun until now guys, I love you very much. See you later when I have some spare time... :weedman:

Love and light.

 

[FluidDruid]

Sanity is a conditioned mind.

Really? I disagree. Can you explain more what you think? For me, a conditionned mind is equal to a kind of "program", meaning that if you have a conditionned mind you're kind of like a robot, acting and saying things that it has learned to. I wouldn't call that sanity. I think sanity is, to the opposite, be able to always act according to the situation, but not automatically with a predetermined act which you have learned to do in X situation, but think and determine yourself what is the best thing to do.
But heh, where's the line?

I do believe I will quote myself as in a previous post of saying "sane" notice the quotations. I do not believe that our minds are programs, with firm reasoning. Throughout my stay here you will notice my cartesian sensability, do not worry.

EDIT:: Read 1984

 

[BrainEater]

sanity is the absence of disease. disease is the first step to death. so insanity is a step towards death. speaking of mental insanity, it can also make your eyes more open... being sane and blind at the same time doesn't contradict...

in my opinion the word insanity is burdened in a similar way like the word god, because of the propaganda and people who don't know anything, but only keep repeating what they heard....

the burden of the word seems to appear, because the experience with the word and the context of it is derived from emotional reaction and that is most often quite negative, considering the connection of the word with the reality and the probably negative impressions, either directly experienced or being told.... but of course an important factor there seems to be, that the positions "sanity" and "insanity" seem not to fit together well and that's why one is probably many times "forced" to take position in thinking and arguing when that subject comes up... this combined with the fact that often insanity is perceived as "alien", strange or unknown for relative reasons....
that would be why perceptions, conceptualizations or opinions of this topic seem to be so different.


peace.