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What are the real dangers of Psilocybin ?

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Telico

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Hello everybody, I apologize in advance for my poor english, because I'm actually French.

For weeks, I've been searching through websites and documents that can really tell us about the real dangers of Psilocybin mushrooms. All I've found is that mushrooms, when taken regularly, can be harmful to the kldneys. Mushrooms can also trigger a 6-months period of depression, serious psychiatric accidents, schizophrenia and all types of mental diseases. I have took mushrooms twice, and I've never felt any depression or sadness; it was a real psychedelic experience and I was entirely satisfied by it. But I'm wondering if mushrooms can be harmful to our neurons... Does psilocybin destroy neurons like MDMA or Alcohol ? What are the other dangers concerning Psilocybin ?

Thanks. Telico.
 
I don't know of any evidence of damage to the brain as a result of the use of ps. mushrooms. I myself have experienced a mojar headache after using them, however, which couldn't be good in and of itself. The mental illnesses you refer to can indeed only be triggered, which means that they have to be already latent within you.

I never heard of mushrooms causing kidney problems. Do you have a link supporting this claim?
 
Champignons à psilocybine [modifier]

Du fait de leur puissant caractère hallucinogène, les champignons à psilocybine peuvent causer des accidents psychiatriques graves et durables, parfois dès la première prise. On parle alors de « syndrome post-hallucinatoire persistant », à savoir angoisses, phobies, état confusionnel, dépression voire bouffées délirantes aiguës.1

Un usage régulier et prolongé peut induire des troubles cardiaques et rénaux.

This excerpt is tkaen from the french version of Wikipedia. The last sentence means : A regular usage of mushrooms can lead to heartaches and kidney-aches.



http://fr.wikipedia.org/wiki/Champignon_hallucinogène#Champignons_.C3.A0_psilocybine
 
Do you have a link in english? Also that is proabably the only link on the internet saying that. Psilocybin Mushrooms are all around a safe drug. If you ever hear that Psiloycbin Mushrooms do casue you harm, its proabably casue the governement is intervening, trying to warp the truth. I have never heard of such a thing, even on the government based websites. If such a thing was true, the governement would be ripping it apart, because they have nothing to work with because it is a perfectly safe substances.

PEACE & LOVE
 
I agree. Absolutely agree. Since we are talking on this subject, I was wondering why Europe and USA have made LSD/Psilocybin/Mescaline and other psychedelics illegal, arguing that psychedelics are extremely harmful and can make one become violent. Arguing that it is for a good cause : our health. But at the same time, governments have allowed cigarettes and alcohol, which are harmful for one's lungs and liver, and, moreover, alcohol can make one become violent. Does government really want us to be healthy ? If it was the case, why are alcohol and cigarettes still legal ? Why ban psychedelics and not alcohol ? Because it's a part of our culture ? probably, but that's not a complete answer. Since there are no evidences of harmfulness in mushrooms, why is it still forbidden ?
 
Oh man, this is the question we are all still asking, and this weekend, after my deep experience with Psilocybin Mushrooms, I see that there intent is perfectly clear.

What happen back in the 1970's was a revolution. Mass amounts of people were starting to use LSD mostly, and their eyes were starting to open. People were seeing the bullshit that our government is feeding us, and they started to fight back. Now days, 95% of our population is completely brainwashed to believe what the government tells us, and therefore the government can feed us any information they please, and our population will believe it!

Anyways, the USA banned LSD and all other psychedelic substances without even taking into consideration the theraputic vaule that some offer. The USA pressured all the other countries to follow in the change of laws, and most countries followed . It's sad, that not even can people think for themselves anymore, but not even countries alone can think for themselves. Who really runs the show? Us or the USA government.

There intent seems clear to me; which I experienced even more powerfully while under the influence of some Psilocybin Mushrooms. To sentence one to prision for 10 years for growing, trafficing, or possesing Psilocybin Mushrooms is abosutly absurd! In the USA, if you are caught with Mushrooms, the judge has no decision or leanency, you automatically get 10 years in prision. Now why would they have such a penality for something that grows out of the ground? I mean you get less time in jail for killing a human being then having Mushrooms on you. The intent is perfecly clean, they want to eliminate the people who are waking up, and put them in jail so they can't open other peoples eyes to the corruption of our government, I mean 10 years! For being a harmful substance, at least in the governments eyes, 10 years seems a little long! I could see 1 year, but not 10!

PEACE & LOVE
 
I mean you get less time in jail for killing a human being then having Mushrooms on you.

Indeed... it's sad...
I'm pleased to know that some people are still longing for awakening, keep opening your eyes man.

Peace. And Love.
 
Indeed... it's sad...
I'm pleased to know that some people are still longing for awakening, keep opening your eyes man.

Yeah I know. We need more people to wake up though. The government is getting control of the mass' so it's not a good sign. Now that the government has control of everyone, they can use them to weed out all the other awakened ones. Thoughts are so very powerful. You can see the governments thoughts without even meeting them, because they run the show, and there thoughts and intentions are shown though what the the averge citizen believes and what he/she does. Ahh it's sad to see what is happening to our world.

PEACE & LOVE
 
Nowadays it's quite hard to make people become awake. Either they use psychedelics in a recreative way (just for fun) or they are reluctant to psychedelics because they are too tamed to education and what they know about psychedelics : "Psychedelics are for junkies, I will never eat mushrooms" (Typical answer). Too many people think psychedelics are useless and harmful, because all their life they have been told not to take psychedelics, because it creates horrible diseases... Thus people become reluctant to psychedelics, using their bogus ideologies to criticize people who take drugs... They will just criticize drugs, without have ever tried once...
 
I found researchpapers with proof, that scopolamin given together with
mindaltering substances (I hate the word "drug") reduced the effects
of braindamage.
Since this time I am taking mushrooms always together with scopolamin
(Buscopan, Hyoscine - Tradenames). Very useful anyhow against nausea,
vomiting, intestinal cramps, motionsickness etc. So it helps to keep some
sideeffects at bay. I take 50 mg of scopolamin (very high doses of this
OTC-substance can produce a trip on its own, untill now I do not have
expierience with that, 500 mg would be the dosis, then sideeffects of
scopolamin may come, dryness of mouth, blurred vision etc.), this dose
taken 30 minutes before the mushroom makes the trip more pleasant.

Pituri, the sacred plant of the Aborigines (Corkwood-Tree) is now cul-
tivated to produce the above mentioned scopolamin - hyoscin for ex-
ample by Boehringer/Germany.
 
I agree with user_

It really disgust me how people are DUMB nowadays. It happened to me 2days ago.. One of my ex learned I was taking shrooms and smoking weed. She did not even want to talk about it and started telling me I didn't have to destroy myself with those substance, that life was enjoyable without them, that she hated the way I had evolved (actually we talked like 3x10mins on msn and yet she's making that judgement). She said "when drugs will have fucked up your head, then you will see".

It's very sad there is no more informations than "drugs are bad".. Once again, we can thank our beautiful government for it's sincerity.


Anyway this forum is the proof there are clever people on earth, and that's really something good.

peace, have a good day :)
 
faithless a dit:
I agree with user_

She said "when drugs will have fucked up your head, then you will see".

I assume that your ex have drank many times, and doesn't care about those who warn her about dangers of alcohol concerning. We all take "drugs" : for obese people, it's food, for fanatics (religious freaks), it's religion, for some people, it's alcohol.


To those who tell me that "drugs" (what an awful word) are bad, I reply that I'm using a "drug" that could damage my brain, but in return, it brings me a lot, and I think that, alcohol can also damage your brain, but it doesn't bring you anything... To that extent, I don't think I'm fucking up my brain.

Personally, Psilocybin brings me a lot. It changed my life, really. I used to be a normal man, with personal fears, personal problems, lacking self-confidence sometimes, not enough proud of me. But since I took shrooms, the days who have followed my experience, I felt that my life has changed, like a progressive personal improvement. Better comprehension of the self, better relations with people, increased desire for knowledge (desire for reading books about psychology, psychotherapy, spirituality, religion...), and, most of all, my self-confidence has dramatically increased. I feel like I have reborn, and my former "self" seems now so ... whatever. I stopped alcohol (doesn't mean that I won't drink a little sometimes, in nightclubs). I want to help people, when they're depressed, because depression is something that became stranger to me.

And now people, since a Junkie is currently defined as a person who is obsessed by something (not only by drugs), I would like to ask a single question : Who are the real junkies, people who take drugs to expand their mind, or people who cannot live without television or fashion or fat food or whatever .. ?

Au revoir, from Paris.
 
Personally, Psilocybin brings me a lot. It changed my life, really. I used to be a normal man, with personal fears, personal problems, lacking self-confidence sometimes, not enough proud of me. But since I took shrooms, the days who have followed my experience, I felt that my life has changed, like a progressive personal improvement. Better comprehension of the self, better relations with people, increased desire for knowledge (desire for reading books about psychology, psychotherapy, spirituality, religion...), and, most of all, my self-confidence has dramatically increased. I feel like I have reborn, and my former "self" seems now so ... whatever. I stopped alcohol (doesn't mean that I won't drink a little sometimes, in nightclubs). I want to help people, when they're depressed, because depression is something that became stranger to me.

This exact thing has happened to me. Psilocybin has forever changed my life in a positive manner!

And now people, since a Junkie is currently defined as a person who is obsessed by something (not only by drugs), I would like to ask a single question : Who are the real junkies, people who take drugs to expand their mind, or people who cannot live without television or fashion or fat food or whatever .. ?

Well since T.V. and fast food are socially accetable, I would say those drug addicts who eat mushrooms once a month to expand their mind and are doing no harm to anyone else are the junkies, wait, NO I think it's the other way around. People are to socially conditioned. You can see the power of the conditioning. Social conditioning is so powerful, and it is evident everywhere!

started telling me I didn't have to destroy myself with those substance, that life was enjoyable without them, that she hated the way I had evolved

She said "when drugs will have fucked up your head, then you will see".

It is evident everywhere. The same people will then go drink themselves stupied after telling people that 'drugs' are bad. It is horrible. Peyote, Psilocybin Mushrooms, San Pedro, Ayahasuca; these are drugs? I see them as religious sacarments. Our Society has brought this to far, we are all living beings with a right, and they can't do this!

I'm just going to stick to my plan, educate myself, get high marks, higher marks then my regular non-drug using classmates, to prove to them that daily Cannabis use is not affecting my marks, nor is one a month Psilocybin use isn't affecting me. Anyways,

PEACE & LOVE
 
Thought Hofmann had done long-lasting research amoung others such as the Harvard University and they concluded that Shrooms, Ayahuasca, LSD and merscaline are non-toxic substances and non-addictive.

Most of them were listed under Scheldule I because it led to mind-altering perceptions that do not fit within the course capitalism and many governments want to go.

LSD was just prohibited because it caused hippie resistance against the current society on a large scale. This goes for other psychedelics too.

And trip disasters and abusers have been used as an icon to spread the word about what these substances do with one, if ingested.

The 'real danger' is extreme fright and assumption to go insane. Despite the fact that seldom one feels that he is about to die, it still can be a freedom experience afterwards when it is intergrated.
 
To some extent, I think that Government is right to ban drugs and mind-altering substances :

Because we, psychonauts, are not the only ones who take drugs, we have to realize that we are accouting for just a small part of drug-takers. There are plenty people who are ready to take drugs just for fun, by not considering the spiritual aspect of these drugs. Those people are responsible for our negative image, by taking too much drugs, or in inadequate conditions, or just "to have fun" ... It's the same problem with Muslims, Muslims are suffering from the extremely negative image which was created by terrorists who claim that they are muslims. Now many people consider a muslim as a terrorist, just like many people consider a psychonaut as a junkie. But the fact it there are much more "fools" and "negative image makers" than psychonauts. If drugs were legal, everybody would take it without any reason . And that's why there's a positive aspect in the governmental drug prohibition. Moreover, psychonauts are always able to find their psychedelics illegaly.


HOWEVER, this is just the positive aspect. The negative aspect is that psychonauts are now forced to rely on dealers who might not be honest : they can replace Mescaline by LSD or Shrooms by another substance; just because they don't have the substance that you are looking for. Worse : Substances are illegaly syntheticized in unclean conditions, which can be more dangerous than if they were produced by Sandoz Pharmaceutics and bought in pharmacies. The other negative aspect is that making somehting illegal implies making "socially inacceptable" people who are dealing with this "something illegal". We are not pedophiles, we are not serial killers ... we are just looking for personal improvement... is that a crime ? is that as negative as raping a 9-year-old girl ? Does it deserve 3 to 10 years in jail ?
Sometimes I feel like I cannot speak about psychedelics, just like protestants couldn't say that they're protestant in the 18th century in France. We are in the 21st century, we've got to move on.


To my opinion, the only positive thing there is that recently (in 2004 I think), researches on psychedelics have been allowed (MAPS, Johns Hopkins Medecine ...).

We have to move towards the new era, the era when people won't stare at you when you talk about psychedelics, when people don't see you as a junkie, when people will use correctly entheogens and other substances to improve their lives and finally decide to live in peace, no matter of their religion, race, sex or nationality.

Psychedelics are probably part of the key to the next step of the human evolution.


A la prochaine, brothers, from Paris.
 
I believe that if drugs would be legal, the abuse could possibly decrease.

Imagine: shrooms, lsd, mescaline, .. become legal. Information is provided everywhere, to anyone who wants it. People would become more aware of what is the real power of psychedelics. And I think it can be a way to make people abusing from these substances really think about it.

Moreover, I think the state really can control the quantity per person that they will provide. It would be easy to put a limit per person, I mean we now have electronic identity cards. They could use a system using this: they say "not more than 5g of dried shrooms per person per month (that's an example :p ), and the guy goes with his identity card, get his shrooms and then is blocked and can no longer get some.

I had thought about it after a night under the influence of speed, smoking a joint in Rosendaal with a friend :D

à bientôt, from belgique ^^
 
That sounds awfully like a database, which is a big no-no to many human rights people.

But I'd like it for the reason that we could limit alcohol consumption too! (I'm sure a lot of people wouldn't like that, though...).

Ultimately though, I don't feel comfortable having all that psychedelic use recorded, under my name. What if employers got a hold of it???
 
Telico a dit:
I agree. Absolutely agree. Since we are talking on this subject, I was wondering why Europe and USA have made LSD/Psilocybin/Mescaline and other psychedelics illegal, arguing that psychedelics are extremely harmful and can make one become violent. Arguing that it is for a good cause : our health. But at the same time, governments have allowed cigarettes and alcohol, which are harmful for one's lungs and liver, and, moreover, alcohol can make one become violent. Does government really want us to be healthy ? If it was the case, why are alcohol and cigarettes still legal ? Why ban psychedelics and not alcohol ? Because it's a part of our culture ? probably, but that's not a complete answer. Since there are no evidences of harmfulness in mushrooms, why is it still forbidden ?

Psychedelics make you notice the bullshit governments spread. It makes you question yourself about the meaning of life. Alcohol and nicotine does the contrary.

Think about it, the governments want nothing else than MONEY, they don't give a fuck about your health, as long as you are able to WORK. They want you to keep the economy going. Psychedelics are a threat to their goal. That is why they do all they can to keep people from consuming them.


To sentence one to prision for 10 years for growing, trafficing, or possesing Psilocybin Mushrooms is abosutly absurd! In the USA, if you are caught with Mushrooms, the judge has no decision or leanency, you automatically get 10 years in prision. Now why would they have such a penality for something that grows out of the ground?

Yeah, and when you think about it, USA must be the most religious country. They believe that god created the unicerse and everything... so basically by banning those substances they are saying that god made a mistake! They aren't even coherent goddamn!


WetStaples a dit:
That sounds awfully like a database

Even if they would use this as a database to know what every person consumes, why would it be a problem, since all drugs would be legal? I have no wish to hide my drug consumption, it actually frustrates me that I can never really talk about it really openly. Who cares that someone in the world knows I consumed 20g of shrooms, 2000 mics of LSD and 1000 mg of MDMA in a year because of an electronic card? The problem is not the database, it's the use people could make of it... but if drugs were legal that information couldn't be used against you, and it could actually be used in good purposes.

P.S.: I had thought about this idea too lol :P
 
Psychoid a dit:
Telico a dit:
Yeah, and when you think about it, USA must be the most religious country. They believe that god created the unicerse and everything...

Actually it is the most religious country : it's the only country in the world which doesn't own a non-religious currency ==> In every bill we can read "In God We Trust" . All the others countries in the world, even Iran or Saudia, don't place religious statements in their bills ...
 
Telico a dit:
Psychoid a dit:
Telico a dit:
Yeah, and when you think about it, USA must be the most religious country. They believe that god created the unicerse and everything...

Actually it is the most religious country : it's the only country in the world which doesn't own a non-religious currency ==> In every bill we can read "In God We Trust" . All the others countries in the world, even Iran or Saudia, don't place religious statements in their bills ...

Holland had them on the coins until we got the euro... ("God be with us"), while Holland wasn't really that religious then.
 
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