Trying peruvian torch for the first time

[Goran.Hrsak]

Peyote is certainly different from all Trichocereus cacti species trips.
Because Peyote have some other alkaloids and the ones which they share are much more concentrate in Peyote. Except for the carrier, mescaline.
600miligrams of mescaline is huge dose, enough for very hard trip or two middle ones. But this also depends on what kind of mescaline you are talking about. M.sulphate, M.chloride, M.hydrochloride, M.phosphate, M.tartrate and so on. What is difference between them. Salt chain will determinate how much free base mescaline is in the molecule. For instance, MST contin 100 (slow relive morphine sulphate tablet) have initially 100mg on box-declaration, but when you remove sulphate attachment-free base, that 100mg of morphine sulphate is 75mg of pure morphine. Have you got what I mean?
Bout injecting mescaline in vain, muscle, I do not know how it would work? Or how much do you need, how that will influence dosage and how would you react. Maybe fever or shock occur? But rectal using for sure is faster acting. I will again compare mescaline with morphine. 300mg of morphine sulphate orally taken is like 35-40mg of injected morphine! Huge difference! So I do not know for sure how would all those combination work.
Peace
Light
Bless

 

[HappyMind]

.. sometime in the next couple weeks when I have time to trip out. What I bought was 30g of powdered cactus.

Where to get?

 

[st.bot.32]

Powdered san pedro and peruvian cactus is easy to find where I live, at select headshops who specialize in enthnobotanicals.

I'm glad it was powdered, made it relatively easy to consume.. just mixed it with water, plugged my nose and chugged it. although I wonder if boiling it doesn't make it more effective than just scarfing down the powder.

All in all, didn't taste quite as bad as I thought either. I think the smell and taste of mushrooms are more nauseating than powdered peruvian..

 

[Guest]

...and what happened after consumption, st.bot.32 ?

 

[st.bot.32]

Hi Daytripper.. Basically, what I said earlier in the thread. Effects kicked in pretty much fully after about 3 hours.. lasted about 7 hours. Body tension eased up by the time the trip kicked in.

Reminded me of a mild tab of acid.. change in perspective.. change in time perception. Mild, mild visuals.. like blocky faces on occasion.

But profoundly relaxing. I was walking around my hood, feeling like I was on a 3-week vacation. Also the mental trip was a lot about my view of the universe, and what I would think of as "god".

I really enjoyed the experience. If I got more from the same batch, I would try maybe 40-50 grams next time.

 

[Guest]

sounds like you had a nice time...religious experiences are the best thing that can happen, in my opinion. they work like a drill in your brain.
what kind of temporal distortion do you experienced ? did you watched the clock and it was 12h, and checked later, it was 19h, and later, it was 11h ? or did you thought of the thing that you were meant to thought later, and managed to conclude the idea that you haven't even started thinking ?
tell more, man, these are the good things. sharing the experience, outgrowing them so we can learn more...!

 

[st.bot.32]

Hey,

Well not so much time becoming non-linear.. mainly time just accelerated, sped up a lot. I was listening to music, taking a walk... I looked up and was way farther than I had ever walked down this street before, like over 30 minutes and it had happened in what felt like the blink of an eye. I was kind of astounded. I was still aware of my surroundings, able to cross the street safely, all that stuff, and I knew this effect was happening at the same time. I've had similar effects on other psychedelics of course but not like this.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

But can you tell, all of you that this experience is ultimate one with cacti???
I know otherwise, it isn't. :wink:

 

[st.bot.32]

But can you tell, all of you that this experience is ultimate one with cacti???
I know otherwise, it isn't. :wink:

Yeah, I really hope I get a chance this summer to try a substantially larger dose than last time

Judging by even the lightweight trip I had, mescaline could easily become one of my favorites...

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

But can you tell, all of you that this experience is ultimate one with cacti???
I know otherwise, it isn't. :wink:

Yeah, I really hope I get a chance this summer to try a substantially larger dose than last time

Judging by even the lightweight trip I had, mescaline could easily become one of my favorites...[/quote:3rm24sm4]

THIS SOUNDS LIKE OFFENDING STATEMENT. :wink: MY QUESTION HAS BEEN FOR EVERYONE WHO TRIED CACTI, SOORY :wink:

 

[pinch_sins]

Hey my 3 san pedro just arrived today!! Decided to go with them in the end as they were 10x cheaper than peyote :wink:

They're all about 26cms, not very wide though, 1.9-2.2 inch at widest part (and narrow at the base/stem).

I think I'll just blend it and drink it once the skin and cores are removed as I'm afraid of damaging the active ingredients, and I don't want to be slaving over a stove for a day.

Hopefully I'll put up some pics for you guys before I eat one, to verify dosages etc. I believe each 26cm cacti will be 1 avg to strong trip - any opinions?

My trip is planned for this Thursday, so I'll fast that morning before I eat it, and expect a hangover of one sort or another the following day (or two).

Any extra tips or thoughts? I've tried to read advice on here already, but feel free to repeat yourselves

Wish me luck!

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

NO NO NO NO NO :!: :!: :!: :!:
You are wrong in all presumptions!!
FIRST:
Use all of them in one cook! (yes cook, 2-3 hours max)
Why all? You haven't bought them in shop from habitat region? Haven't you? I suppose Azarius, Cactiplaza, Shayana, Wackyherbs(BZP is available in this shop), Entheobotanicals or similar shop? Internet shop? :?:
Such cacti is only one fifth of "true" cacti! Maybe one fifth more.
Those shops are wonderful if you have in mind growing cacti for couple of years at special "normal" conditions. Not some young cutting which has come out from roots which have given such cacti like yours 3 years ago. Stimulated with shits, when you calculate alkaloid concentration believe me :!: very low % would be in it!!! :!:

(And) all of them, cooked, are possibly (certainly) in strength line of easy/low level mescal trip. Sorry, but this is true! :wink:


SECOND: Slice them (After removing spines - spines are small and breakable or softly then normal cacti spines. If you sometimes seen healthy and 50cm long Echinosopsis "Trichoricereus in common" you will find spines sharp as hell, sinewy-tenacious and large (Pedro have it at least) :?:, cook bout 2-3 hour on medium-low fire and remove hard parts. Cool it down to the drinking temp, hot-warm tea-syrup is better and more digestible comparing with cold cacti (this is what you are doing, fridge and such-"cacti shake" nonsense!
First eat hard parts. Wait 45 min to one hour. Do not worry!, bitterness is very low, like kiwi. Then you need to drink "potion" in one gut. Or try to drink it in close period of time. And this is it. Cellulose from cacti is 300%+++% more digestible then normal, cool unprepared cacti! Shamans in Peru cook cacti. They done that for thousands of years in the past, just like nowdays and also futuretimes will be just the same.

Have a nice voyage.

PEACE
LIGHT
BLESS

 

[magickpencil]

Goran, what's the best way to cook the cactus?

 

[pinch_sins]

I got them from divinecactus.com, this product:

http://www.divinecactus.com/product_inf ... cts_id=241

The only reason to cook them is to make them easier to eat - right? What other reason is there to cook it?

I appreciate that the method that I proposed will be horrible, but I reckon that I can manage it. Next time, if its really bad, I will cook it instead, but the first time I think I'll do it naturally.

I dont know about the mescaline % in each one; I mean, you really think I need 3 for one hit? I hope not, because I wanted 3 trips out of this lot, and It'll be 3 times more expensive if I eat them all in one

I may try one first, then if its shit, try the other 2 together.

Thanks for your advice Goran, I am listening, don't be offended if I experiment a bit though please.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Goran, what's the best way to cook the cactus?

The best way? There is no best way, only ways how to cook them, but cooking is crucial for Pedro and all other Echinopsis species.
In Echinopsis specie the best way is to slice cacti on thin slices. Each slice would be near 0.3-0.5cm thick. Place slices in liter and half of water and cook it until water evaporate to 0.5-0.7 liters. This usually last 2-3hours on medium low fire (if you have 7 heat solutions on stove, use 4th solution or number, this would be medium low or medium, boiling but very softly).

Crucial way in cacti consuming is such cooking! No one eat raw meat, coffee doesn't dilute in cold/warm water just as many herbs, powders(milk in powder), drugs like opiates needs heat to work (raw opiates), proteins coagulate on higher temp. Also alkaloids need warm or heat to come out of cells if they aren't extracted before or synthesized. Otherwise they will only pass trough gastrointestinal tract. Maybe some of them would be leeched out by intestinal. But big amounts of tissue like Pedro (low level of mescaline) our body can't heat enough, mescaline is trapped and maybe 10-15% would be leeched out instead of 80%++!
Peyote is good example. Smaller body with bigger alkaloids concentration in that body which can be extracted-leeched out by intestinal.

Freezing cacti and "cell braking" is nonsense for me. What this is telling you? What happens if cell membrane broke? Tissue turns into liquid, but I can't see liquid bean or meat when you defrost it!

Shamans in Peru cook cacti (sliced) in big bowl couple of hours and then drink that "soup". Simple! Cacti (Pedro) isn't corn or banana! :wink:

 

[magickpencil]

thank you Goran, that'll be my method then
your knowledge is evidently boundless

 

[st.bot.32]

Hey Goran, so here's question for you:

When I bought the dried peruvian torch powder from the headshop, the guy had tried it himself, and said basically to just stuff the powder down as it was. Since it was powder, and not a fresh cactus, I figured I'd try that..

Even though it is already powder, would you still cook it? Would that increase the amount of mescaline the body absorbs? Just trying to figure out what I should do next time I try the powder.. if I should take a higher amount than 30grams or try cooking it.

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

YES, OF COURSE!!!
Why everyone ask me this? Alkaloids in general are dissolved with heat or diluent's.
Coffee, tea, cacti potion, Ayahuasca and many other examples!
Hot water is like nitro by itself! Always use cooking method when you extract alkaloids from plants. Chemical reactions do that by themselves! Reaction of one chem with another. How much? Use all! As I sad many times before, Net shops have poor Echinopsis and Lophophora cacti, low level of alkaloids. But if you find 30grams enough (I know that you would not), you can easily find such dose next time.
PEACE
LIGHT
BLESS

 

[random]

I'm sorry to question something like this in the middle of the thread, but I found one site that sells 900g of powder san pedro. Is it cheap or too expensive? I don't have the notion.

Thanks

(edit)

Opps forgot the essential, the price! It's 89$

 

[Jahvisions]

Awhile ago i got dried peruvian torch from peru, powdered it and ate it. The first psychedelic experience of my life was 15g, nice for a first timer but too light. Next time 20g then 25g then 30g. 30g was a real good trip, heavy but not as crazy as 4g dried cubensis.

I am still not sure if cooking down was the best, it's always disguisting and always makes me nauseus. I once tried with eating powder with a spoon and flushing it with water or juice. I know mixing powder is stupid because it only makes the volume bigger and remains as dirty.