Time may have existed previously to this universe

[buffachino]

Before the big bang there was merely a dark and empty space

It still is

where the signal for the big bang came from

It came from me

a trancendal level which is produced by the supreme intelligence of our nature

Transcendent of transcendence?

too primitive to give a proven definition with a 'yes' or 'no'.

'Yes' and 'no' prove that definition is primitive.

 

[GOD]

Elephants that travel faster than light ????

If they traveled faster than the speed of light they would leave "the" universe ????? = We couldnt see them or measure their speed = using our measurements that are based on our universes physics wich are limited/defined by the speed of light we couldnt measure anything faster than the speed of light = we cant realy say that there are things or speeds that are not faster than the speed of light .

And hey wow!!! a war between phisolophosy and physicks , far out man !!!!


Didn't know what time it was and the lights were low
I leaned back on my radio
Some cat was layin' down some rock 'n' roll 'lotta soul, he said
Then the loud sound did seem to fade
Came back like a slow voice on a wave of phase
That weren't no D.J. that was hazy cosmic jive

There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He's told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

I had to phone someone so I picked on you
Hey, that's far out so you heard him too!
Switch on the TV we may pick him up on channel two
Look out your window I can see his light
If we can sparkle he may land tonight
Don't tell your poppa or he'll get us locked up in fright

There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He's told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He's told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile
He told me:
Let the children lose it
Let the children use it
Let all the children boogie

La, la, la, la, la, la, la, la

 

[buffachino]

Physics is philosophy, just more anal-retentive.

 

[GOD]

And "time" and our time = that wich is a part of our universe are not the same . = not nesecerely lineal and tied to other dimensions , or not . The tenth dimension is a soup , a mixture of all possible mixtures , a kind of "all kinds of everything" , all posible posibilitys .The ultimate end point of energy quants = the smallest posible unit = strings to some people are/ can be multi dimentional , or mixtures of every different types of mixtures of every dimension , or not and can have their own time line . I aint a pysicist , so i`m not claiming to be right , allthough i am . So please coment . ( that was probably explained very badly ....but i`ve been there ) .

 

[GOD]

In our universes physics every reaction has an equal and oposit reaction = when the bullet leaves the gun the but hits your shoulder = there must be something out side of our univers or we couldnt exist = the big bang had an equal and oposit reaction outside of itself all contained in a "space" = the 10th dimension .

Please corect me , i wont shoot back . At least not in this universe.......

 

[GOD]

= the big bang didnt start in our universe because it created our universe = you cant start something in something that doesnt exist = there must be something outside of it .

Again , please put me right .

 

[druglessdouglas]

well, sort of true but...

there is a theory called brane theory. it sugests that there may be other universes- perhaps an infinate number of them, and our universe may have burst into existence when two of these other universes touched. its not something i know a lot about so google p-brane(not google pea brain, google p-brane!)

 

[GOD]

Thanks Drugless ,

Planck is talking about the speed of light in a vacume , so it must mean that the spead of light outside a vacume is different = the speed of light can be slowed down by friction ????? = photons have a mass = are a physical entity wich can be slowed down by friction = there is more than one speed of light . If not what the fuck is he talking about a vacume for ???? And that the speed of light is the time it takes light to go a distance = miles times time = speed . = light , time and distance cant be separated .

brane = membrane = slices in the tenth dimension .

I understand the description of the theory of brains but i think its only a three/four dimensional description , wich is wrong in a ten dimensional soup . ( and also just plain wrong.... and that plain wasnt ment to be a pun.... ) Acording to physics a string can be in different places/universes at the same time ???? , that doesnt nesecerily mean that there are brains like slices of bread , but that those slices/universes if they exist exist on top/parallel/in another/through another . Sorry i`m trying to explain something that exists? in more than 3 - 4 dimensions .

"well, sort of true but... "

= sort of not true to . And as one sees i`m thick so i need a more detailed explanation or disproval of what i have said .

I`ve been watching documentarys about theoretical physics as explained by Simon White :-

http://www.mpa-garching.mpg.de/~swhite/

Plus documentarys about Ed whitton . The only person who is suposed to understand the string theory . The man that showed all the other people with string theorys that they were all realy the same one , or parts of the same one . I have a shit memory but i understand what he says , at least in documentarys....... and he seems to me to be saying what i`m saying . Just that my description here is limited to my bad memory , my dificulty in puting what i have seen in words and ignorance of scientific terms .

Without wishing to insult anyone of all of you physics geniuses , i believe a real genius who understands something is defined by his ability to explain it , even to me . So please all of you offer me explenations = i get a free theoretical physics lesson !!!! And if any one says i`m to thick to understand they are realy saying that they are to thick to explain .

I realise that giving me a physics lesson is off topic so what about you all doing both = keep talking about what you were talking about before i got my insomnia attack AND explain my mistakes to me please . Wich also means that if all of you together cant explain to me the holes in what i`m saying............

 

[BrainEater]

thanks GOD,

i am not sure if entities like people are dimensions or universes... so what about this 10-dimensional shit ? also... maybe the dimensions are DEFINED in a really different way, so the 4th dimension wouldn't be time and the first 3 dimensions wouldn't be "space" .... but i agree the 10th dimension would be more of a soup than lower dimensions would be, simply because it has more dimensions and therefore more information???

yeah... space and time seems to be a continuum... connected and everflowing...

there is said to be a program though which is called existence which is supposed to be omnipotent and omniscient.

in my opinion theoretical physics = finding out what's going on and finding mathematical descriptions for that OR thinking about what could be and then when you are relatively sure say it is like that period . either before or after saying that it IS like that you strengthen your theory by explaining it in a way that nobody understands, but it seems logically right.

peace :weedman:

 

[Forkbender]

If you try to explain what we call reality, you'll never have enough dimensions, because you cannot account for the fact that it can be explained.

Dimension is another word for illusion.

 

[Meduzz]

Dimension is another word for illusion.

Dimensions are logic constructions, as are electrons and all the other stuff we can't visualise...

 

[BrainEater]

dimensions are lines, and through the use of multiple dimensions the description of characteristics of a system or a body or whatever is possible.
dimensions are theoretical constructs.

i don't try to explain reality. reality tries to be explained.

peace :weedman:

 

[Meduzz]

dimensions are lines, and through the use of multiple dimensions the description of characteristics of a system or a body or whatever is possible.
dimensions are theoretical constructs.

Those are dimensions in applied mathematics, they don't have to be distances, surfaces, volumes or time but could be any characteristic like you said. I presume that with "lines" you mean vectors?

I guess dimensions in physics are extrapolations of space and time.
Maybe drugless has something to add, I'd be interested too :wink:

 

[st.bot.32]

Thanks Drugless ,

Planck is talking about the speed of light in a vacume , so it must mean that the spead of light outside a vacume is different = the speed of light can be slowed down by friction ????? = photons have a mass = are a physical entity wich can be slowed down by friction = there is more than one speed of light . If not what the fuck is he talking about a vacume for ???? And that the speed of light is the time it takes light to go a distance = miles times time = speed . = light , time and distance cant be separated .

Yes and no. Photons don't technically "slow down". When you look around you, you see light "reflecting" off surfaces. Photons do not technically reflect or bounce. When a photon of a correct wavelength hits an atom, it transfers its energy to the electron, causing the electron to gain energy. When the electron loses its energy it releases a photon. Hence when light/photons pass through matter, gas, liquid, transparent solids, the photons still travel at the speed of light, however you have to factor in the time it takes for the photons to interact with the matter they are passing through. Also depending on the type of atoms/elements in the matter, certain wavelengths will be absorbed as heat, others will be reflected or pass through the matter, hence objects have "color".

As for photons having mass, they have zero mass, but can still transmit energy to matter. Perhaps someone else can explain that better. whoof.

 

[BrainEater]

dimensions are lines, and through the use of multiple dimensions the description of characteristics of a system or a body or whatever is possible.
dimensions are theoretical constructs.

Those are dimensions in applied mathematics, they don't have to be distances, surfaces, volumes or time but could be any characteristic like you said. I presume that with "lines" you mean vectors?

I guess dimensions in physics are extrapolations of space and time.
Maybe drugless has something to add, I'd be interested too :wink:

well it was my primitive thinking that made me say lines... when i was writing that i was thinking of a 2 dimensional coordinate system. and therefore i was thinking of a line being a dimension like the x and the y line in the normal 2 dimensional graph. but this is not exactly right, too. but well you could understand it like the orthogonal dimensions x and y describe a point in a third dimension by intersecting in a point through functions or maybe simple lines.

what i wanted to say though, was that maybe a dimension in reality can be understood as an infinite long line which stores information. whether this line is a straight line in space or it forms a circle doesn't matter.

i must say the word vector is a good one... because a vector is supposed to describe a direction and not only a point. so in my understanding with vectors not only (geometrical) bodies can be mathematically described, but also more complicated patterns like movements of bodies or whatever....

to the photon thing: does light have a mass or not?????? is light pure energy ??? is (pure) energy mass???


peace :weedman:

 

[Meduzz]

what i wanted to say though, was that maybe a dimension in reality can be understood as an infinite long line which stores information. whether this line is a straight line in space or it forms a circle doesn't matter.

The M-string theory proposed that there are 11 dimensions, but I don't know any details and I think M snare-theory has already been proven wrong (not sure)

to the photon thing: does light have a mass or not?????? is light pure energy ??? is (pure) energy mass???

Photons have no mass. It's a small pack of energy E=hf

 

[st.bot.32]

to the photon thing: does light have a mass or not?????? is light pure energy ??? is (pure) energy mass???

In relativistic theory, objects have "rest mass". This is the amount of mass an object has when it is motionless in comparison to the observer. (The faster an object travels in comparison to you a.k.a. the observer, the more mass it gains, approaching infinity at the speed of light.) So if you wanted to say measure the rest mass of a rock in orbit around the earth you would have to be motionless in comparison to the rock, hence moving in comparison to the earth.

Photons are never still/motionless, they move at... well.. the speed of light. So they have zero "rest mass".

However..

A photon does have mass in the sense that it when it interacts with matter it transfers energy to matter. You can measure the momentum of a photon with the formula p = E/c where C is the speed of light and E is the energy of the photon. This is why a solar sail works.. a solar sail is designed to reflect photons emitted by the sun, as photons bounce off the sail (absorbed and reflected by the atoms on the surface of the sail), they cause the sail to move.

 

[druglessdouglas]

well, the mass of an electron at rest= 9.1094x10exp-28g, or 0.00054858amu (atomic mass units=1/12 mass of a carbon(12)atom=1.6605x10exp-24g)

light does slow when it passes through a medium denser than a vacuum, which is why reading glasses prisms and pretty rainbows work. how much it refracts depends on the density of the medium and the frequency of the light. this is why white light, which is a mixture of light with different frequencies is split by a prisim. each frequency is refracted (or slowed) by a different amount.
its not because the light has hit the atoms and been absorbed- the light would not pass through- rather its an attractive force akin to gravity where the mass of the material and the mass of the photon are mutualy atractive.

im going to have to return to this because ive forgotten the points...


for brane theory, and string theory(no one has mentioned that yet) to work there would have had to be at least 11 dimensions in the moments after the big pop. two of these dimensions are in time.

in string theory, if you look at an electron what you are seing is a slice through a superstring. take a piece of string, cut it now look directly at the cut end. now you are seing a point. that point represents an electron, but the string continues sideways through time. am i making sense?

in brane theory, there are n number of universes, each having theyre own number of dimensions and each self contained. again TV has messsed with our heads because when someone says dimensions we think of star trek where they end up in paralel dimensions where the sets look like theyre made of the same cardboard but the cast all have slightly different haircuts.
its hard to think in terms other than those we are used to.
different universes may have dimensions we can not possibly imagine

again im going to have to come back to this...

a whole lot of unlikely events just hapened there. my curtains fell down, a fuse blew a second later and something fell off a shelf makes me think ive upset the universe a bit. ill get back to this in a mo...

 

[buffachino]

Subatomic, Atomic, molecular, cellular, organic, planet, star, cluster, galaxy, string, universe, entity, body, mind, one, other, time, space, pussy and mushrooms; all the same. Not separate in function, in dimension, in process, in size, in anything. Think about this, then return my call from the 0 dimension.

universes may have dimensions we can not possibly imagine

This universe has dimensions that we can’t possibly imagine, because those dimensions are imaginary.

 

[druglessdouglas]

the Tao