silv a dit:
Well I could get into a really philosophical discussion about how it is, subjectivity, objectivity, but I won't. I'm sad you have such a fundamentalist approach to this subject but I'm cool with that. Will make it alot easier on which discussions can be interesting and which won't (= I won't end them while having learned something).
Edit: I also don't recall mentioning anyones (let alone my mothers) political choice. I do recall mentioning some peoples religion, but that does not equal a political choice (thank my flying spaghetti monster).
Now I am the fundamentalist here, I knew this was coming.....
You called for this on yourself by coming here without backing it up, telling me I am ALL wrong. The thing is, you are blinded by your culture and not realizing it.
I wouldnt care one fucking minute of my life about Christianity if they would leave me/us alone. But they don't. Its often hard to look beyond the boundaries of our own culture to realize the obvious truth:
Christianity still is, always was and ever will be waging war against us. And if you think that is a fundamentalist way of looking at it, check this out my friend:
I have examined all the known superstitions of the world, and I do not find in our particular superstition of Christianity one redeeming feature. They are all
alike founded on fables and mythology. Millions of innocent men, women and
children since the introduction of Christianity, have been burnt, tortured, fined and imprisoned. What has been the effect of this coercion?
To make one half of the world fools and the other half hypocrites; to support rogery and error all over the earth.
Thomas Jefferson
Answer me this please:
1) What good things did Christianity bring us
2) How long do women have voting rights
3) How long do homosexuals have rights at all in our culture.
4) Since how long are we allowed to practice entheogenic shamanism in our culture?
Look careful at these four points and then ask yourself, what exactly is currently happening with these values which are just common sense to most of us? And who is actually messing with these values?
And if you look at Jeffersons quote, can you really in all honesty still say I am wrong? I mean, if you don't give up your sacrament soon or make work in hiding it, you will be fined and/or imprisoned,
as is the case since the last 2000 years
And you call me a fundamentalist. I do expect an apology for that or I'm done talking with you since I am attacking your ideas, and not you personally.
Christinity is
designed to have people live in fear and to dis empower them. Fear of thinking about certain things is part of that design. Its ingenious in some way but there is no doubt about it that this is the case.
Here's a quote from a brilliant book that lays a lot of these issues out:
The majority of humankind's history with spiritual plants has been spent viewing them as sacred, not immoral. Yet for the last two thousand years, religious institutions and governments have ignored this history and waged war against spiritual plants and altered states of consciousness. today, elitist groups of politicians and clergy , meeting in secret chambers and assuming authority over nature's bounty, have decided for everyone which plants are to be good and which are to be bad. Meanwhile, many of these authorities must have their coffee, tobacco, zoloft and alcohol. Some are being caught with straws up their nose as well. Yet, they decide for everyone else which plants are good and against which to wage war.
Astrotheology & Shamanism
