The Psychology of Addiction

[Forkbender]

Zen is not just meditation. Of course it is part of the practice, but so is handling a bow, writing, gardening, travelling, motorcycle maintenance, and so on. The key is to do what you do, nothing more nothing less. Don't identify with the doing, because then your inside mind, feeding ego.

 

[st.bot.32]

I like a lot of the above explanations and opinions.

I would also say part of addiction is forgetting what the mind is capable of doing when it is sober.

 

[poisoninthestain]

If you look at zen, the goal is no-mind, not a strong mind. This would suggest that mind and addiction are always connected, that weakening the mind would actually help out.

yes, i totally agree with you. it was my fault to use the choice words of weak mind/strong mind. what i really meant to say was that weak mind="mind", and strong mind="no-mind" corresponding to the zen concepts of seeing it. the very nature of zen is complete paradox and very difficult to interpret, let alone grasp.

 

[buffachino]

Individuals become addicted to themselves.

One integrates an object into their perception and requires it in order to maintain the congruence of said perception, thus one is really unwilling to let go of themselves, rather than that which they use to maintain this self-dependence.

The suffering of abandonment to the ego.

Such perceptual over-saturation that it becomes painful to be in contact with the uninhibited depths of existence.

Always looking for that next distraction.

 

[druglessdouglas]

If you look at zen, the goal is no-mind, not a strong mind. This would suggest that mind and addiction are always connected, that weakening the mind would actually help out.

true i believe. i study Hsing i, an internal form of kung fu. part of the training is varous standing zen exersises the aim of which is to achieve a state called Wuji or empty mind, in order to circumvent the negative effects of thinking which invariably get in the way of the true will . Hsing i translates as FORM WILL

 

[Atanga]

Psychological addiction is diffrent with many drugs , with cocaine and amphetamines is more like a compulsive addiction like TV or sex can be.

If you talk about opiates is more serious, I'm addicted to opiates and the psychological addiction is very strong but is not compulsive , we take opiates not because we want to get high nor because we think about it but because i will became extremely depressive and even paranoic and even with hallucinations, some times i feel that my mind will shut down after 48hours without opiates , is even more hard than the physical effects. p.s - a strong dose of ketamine or any other nmda-antagonist can help a lot with the more serious side effects.

About cocaine and amphetamines is more easy for me because is just a rush that we remember but we don't became sick , s just a compulsive reaction that can be finished with any psychedelic therapy or even only with meditation and psychoterapy or self-introspection .

Greetings

 

[Forkbender]

Hey Atanga,

Welcome to the forum! Enjoy your stay.

Have you ever considered Iboga-therapy? It seems to work wonders with Opiate-addiction.

 

[Atanga]

Hey Atanga,

Welcome to the forum! Enjoy your stay.

Have you ever considered Iboga-therapy? It seems to work wonders with Opiate-addiction.

Thank you very much Forkbender

Yes, I've tried iboga several times even before my opiate addiction, but as i use the rootbark and not the pure alkaloid because is too much expensive is difficult to find my dose but i had reduced my methadone dose from 120mg to 40mg a day ,and now 30mg, i used very stong doses like i needed 2 grams of heroin a day when i start my methadone program but iboga help me a lot to reduce the dose and it also give's me one of the most fantastic psychedelic experience impossible to be compared with shooms or ayahuasca for me is the most real psychedelic experience and also very euphoric experience, from 120mg to 40mg a normal person without iboga will take more than 1.5 years to reduce the dose if the person don't want to become sick.

I've also used ketamine intramuscular sometimes and it also strong reduced the psychological and physical addiction because is a nmda-antagonist like ibogaine and Dxm ,i know that dxm is even used in combo with ibogaine and mc-18 for opiate addiction.

Greetings

 

[????????]

Iboga is like the ace up the sleeve for a case against the illegality of psychedelics, is it not?

it is a potent trip according to what I've read (Atanga here exemplifies) so it's a substance to be aware of. It doesn't have the aggrandized stories of people killing themselves like lsd and it's the ultimate medicine against addiction! the downside is........ ??? (nothing more than a shroom/lsd experience I assume, which is to say it's VERY safe... minding set&setting considerations)

Shouldn't we make a paper saying these facts and at the end something like "WHY IS IT ILLEGAL?" and then make lots of copies and post it all over our respective hometowns to see if people start making ruckus?

:idea: :?: :!:

 

[Forkbender]

the downside is........ ???

Some people have died during the experience? (can't recollect the cause, but think it was heartfailure). I'll try and look it up...

 

[zezt]

If your interested in all about IBOGA, try Mindvox forums http://ibogaine.mindvox.com/

There you will meet people who have opiate habits who have been helped with Ibogaine. There is LOTS of great people who will help you and share as much as you want to know, etc. Check it out

I believe Iboga IS toxic in very high doses. But if you begin really learning of safe ways and means, you should be alright.

PLEASE also be aware that other psychedelics can help if used with the UTMOSt respect and care. Ie., a lot of preparation must be done to create right set and setting. Remember that psychedelic experience is no passive affair. it is NOT you sat there waiting for 'a drug' to do the work for you. it is rather a relationship between you and what you ingest.....Consider this. And with intent, you are asking the whole experience to open you up for healing and understanding about whatever problem you need to explore

 

[buffachino]

PLEASE also be aware that other psychedelics can help if used with the UTMOSt respect and care. Ie., a lot of preparation must be done to create right set and setting. Remember that psychedelic experience is no passive affair. it is NOT you sat there waiting for 'a drug' to do the work for you. it is rather a relationship between you and what you ingest.....Consider this. And with intent, you are asking the whole experience to open you up for healing and understanding about whatever problem you need to explore

Bravo.