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The Psychology of Addiction

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What do you guys think are the psychological correlates of addiction. My idea is that there are feelings of guilt and resistance to the effects of the drug. Feeling guilty of using a drug makes it that much more interesting. It has to do with doing something forbidden, rebelling against societal institutions. Resistance to the effects of the drug in question might sound paradoxical. But I think that there is some lack of acceptance of all the aspects of the drug. Certain effects are denied in day-to-day life. For example with cannabis: it doesn't affect my school or work, while it in fact does, at least for a day or so after heavy smoking. So you pretend these effects aren't there, neglecting an aspect of the drug and therefore have an ideal concept of it in your mind, that is so desired that one is willing to overcome the guilt one feels afterwards. To make matters worse, the guilt you feel when you are sober can be overcome by using the drug, because of the self-fulfill prophecy of thinking that the drug only has positive effects, i.e. being relaxed and happy. At the end you feel guilty for being you, wanting to suspend this guilt by using the drug again. Same holds for the addiction to material goods, like money, or immaterial relationships, like power or love.

Your input, please.
 
Pleasancy..
Escape from "reality"..
..
 
Dependence and habituation.
 
Affinity

+all the above
 
weakness(?)

In the case of cannabis.
 
The feeling that you need a substance to have fun in (almost) everything that you do, that you need a substance to be able to do things in a correct way. The feeling that your life isn't complete without the substance. The feeling that you miss something when you're not on that substance.

And abusing substances is an easy way to cure boredom, but that's temporary, you start to feel more and more bored when you're abusing more and more. You get in an vicious circle, etc.
 
Making yourself believe that you can't function or can't function as well (as is the case with most cannabis addicts) without your drug. Like if your personality lacks something that the drug can make right. I think denial is also an important factor, most addicts are in denial of either being addicted or harming themselves with their addiction. Basically for me addiction is mostly lieing to yourself about your behaviour, and once you can stop telling yourselves lies you might get to that point where you realise that you're on a wrong path.

That make any sense?
 
silv a dit:
Making yourself believe that you can't function or can't function as well (as is the case with most cannabis addicts) without your drug. Like if your personality lacks something that the drug can make right. I think denial is also an important factor, most addicts are in denial of either being addicted or harming themselves with their addiction. Basically for me addiction is mostly lieing to yourself about your behaviour, and once you can stop telling yourselves lies you might get to that point where you realise that you're on a wrong path.

That make any sense?

This is absolutely true.
 
A lack of believe in self potential and a natural state of optimism and satisfaction.

As well as the fear to feel small when becoming aware of your weaker points in life. Or getting confronted with it.

The incapability to admit self failure.

To cover your own inner self with a jacket that you wish to display to the outer world. Especially celebrities do.
 
..ool culture'

OK, I am 52 and I began smkokin cigarettes when i was TEN, yeah 10....!

I began smoking dope/draw/pot/grass/weed/ganja/reefer whatever yuou wanna calls it when i was 15 which was first time I took LSD

The only break I had from toking and ciggies was a shock in 1983 when my mum had a heartattack (she recovered)--I first gave up tokin, then cogs, and this laster a bit over a year. Then I got bored and went back to tokin but not cigs, though of course i would use cigs to mix draw with. I graduated onto skunk because because of the fukin so called BS scam 'war on drugs' where criminals sell it. shit you could trust years back when i began tokin started getting mixed with all kinds of crap. Skunk was more or less plant and guaranteed kosher

Anyhow my point~~~

I was taken in by the cool culture's promotion of tokin as being the thing to do. And I did it religiously every day not missin a day. And foolin myself that it doesn't matter

Well it does. It is a drug, and i feel miles more better i have given up. I feel more energy, more oxygen, more money...........less absorbed about the whole ritual of dope smoking. I put up with shit people to get my drugs. and i freaked if i went anywhere without my stash
 
the wanting back of the high feeling and the urge to wanting it now or as soon as possible.... almost the need for it. but at the same time ignoring or trying to ignore the negative effects.

if i wouldn't have the addiction for weed maybe i would have the need for it. :mrgreen:

peace :weedman:
 
Zezt I'd like to ask you what your general opinion on mary jane is though. Crystal clear as it is that it is bad for you, how do you think about the use of the drug in general (for other people who might not be/get addicted to it)?
 
Feelings of inadequacy, of helplessness; domineering concerns deemed repressively peripheral to the realm of self, of ones mere perception, and abandoned to oblivion as if in doing so the dilemma is satiated, while they brood in the recesses of ones mind until a time where things just fall apart under the burden.

Addiction is a placation of much more deep seeded issues.
A way of superficially illustrating to an individual some last vestment of perceived control. A self-substantiating cycle of dependence on ones suffering to continue to uphold a paradoxically comfortable illusion that one maintains subconscious choice in the course of their life.

While ignoring the abandonment of their will to their means of illusory satisfaction.
 
only weak minds get addicted.

we are all addicts of sex, masturbation, food, survival, sleep, defecation, ect.

this is why some historic zen masters, indian mystics, and buddhist monks can suspend the body's desire to do almost anything.

i'm sure most ppl have heard of the dudes in india who do incredible shit with their bodies.
 
If you look at zen, the goal is no-mind, not a strong mind. This would suggest that mind and addiction are always connected, that weakening the mind would actually help out.
 
silv a dit:
Zezt I'd like to ask you what your general opinion on mary jane is though. Crystal clear as it is that it is bad for you, how do you think about the use of the drug in general (for other people who might not be/get addicted to it)?

Hi, sorry its taken me a while to reply. Must have missed your question.

From my experience with people, including a wide age range, there was this constant need for spliff everyday. And when we came togther to do session, you could sense the mood went down UNLESS people were skinning up. So you had a room full of smoke and spliffs coming round all the time. That is NOT healthy, but is made to seem cool

So WHY is it made to seem cool?

Well, I have my ideas I will share with you. When I was a kid growing up in the 1960s it was the OPPOSITE of how it is now. yeah you had the occasional warning gov. advice ad on TV about possible cancer from cigarettes, but you had ciggie ads of healthy looking sporty people lighting up cigs by streams in the countryside and saying how much they liked the taste of the baccy. You had ALL the cool people smoking, and all the uncool people not.
The 'cool people' were the actors, rock stars, film stars. And most programmes on TV and film they all had cigarettes, and me mum smoked and she was cool. So ther was no hope for me. All me friends who were older than me smoked. So I smoked from being 10

Now....the REALLY cool 'in crowd' which included black musicians, soulsters, rock stars like The Stones etc etc ALL smoked pot. they were always in the news gettin arrested and lookin...cool whicl all the stupid lookin straights surrounded them who you know didn't. It was almost a mythical drug to this kid

let me tell you who turned me onto smoking cannabis. my first toke was Black. Do you remember an English surreal classic cult series called the Avengers ? Well it was a chacter in it called Steed. His stand in stuntman who I met in London

From there I loved it cause it made me giggle like fuck, and altered my perception, especially listening to music. And it went on from there

In those days is was part of the Hippy/Head scene so it was WELL cool. You were part of the Revolution scene and peace and love. And the ritual was sat in circle passion big fat joint round. Noone hogged it then

When I came hom and started hangin out in jamican culture the vibe was completely different. Some scenes were had a real violent vibe. And it was amajor culture shock

Soon I began using tokin as a way to deal with life. But I went through periods where i'd just have one spliff a day, then once a wekk. But generally I reverted to every day, and mostly at night

but i wont bore you with any more ramblin. Directly--i would recommend not smoking. Some people have pain, and the only drug that helps them is draw. For them obviously they need it. But the thing about draw is it stays in the system. And soon it permeates your system. Drogginess. And allthe day centred round your toke

I believe Indigenous people have access to tobacco that is mildy psychoactive, but they will only use it for spiritual occasions. Not every day every day which is inhealthy in my opinion
 
zezt a dit:
I believe Indigenous people have access to tobacco that is mildy psychoactive, but they will only use it for spiritual occasions. Not every day every day which is inhealthy in my opinion

Good point! Overmedication just shows us that we are so sick we don't know what is right for us.
 
Forkbender a dit:
If you look at zen, the goal is no-mind, not a strong mind. This would suggest that mind and addiction are always connected, that weakening the mind would actually help out.

Maybe thats not for everybody though...?

For example, I never could click with Zen meditation because of the insistence to sit still etc. Cause I love dancing, and being active. So for people with that capacity we need to not suggest they are lacking

I mean, alright if sitting still and becoming 'no mind' is your thing, alright. But there are other means of acquiring healthy forms of ecstasy. For example, I recently listed to this great interview about 'shaking'--if anyone's interested i'll link you. But to summarize best i can~~The guy talking was familiar with the Kalahari Bushmen and their !num spiritual ecstatic rituals where its not about sitting still whatsoever but in totally opening up to complete bodymind abandon with the help of powerful chaoitc rythims of the drum

much more up my street :)
 
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