The Psychedelic Community and Cultural Taboos

[VapourTrail]

Actually silv, I felt you were fairly on topic!

 

[st.bot.32]

^both, in my case. :|

You're right, probably both for everyone... Come to think of it this applies outside of psychedelics too. Now that I look at it all I did was paraphrase the Bertrand Russell quote about the wiser and the fools

I <3 Mr. Lynch.

 

[magickmumu]

Isn't David Lynch a practitioner of Transcendental Meditation?
Transcendental Meditation that was introduced by Maharishi Mahesh yogi, who died in 2008.
it's interesting to know that a lot of celebrity's are involved with spiritual and occult groups.
Celebrity's are of great importance to these groups because they bring in members and money.

 

[Forkbender]

^yes, he talks about that in the above video at the beginning.

 

[magickmumu]

A taboo is something we all agreed on not to talk about or to ignore. Right :?:
I don't believe there is something that we (the people on this forum) all agreed not to speak about.
There have been conflicts, but still i feel free to speak my mind freely.

 

[Forkbender]

A taboo isn't agreed upon, it is more like an 'unwritten rule'.

 

[Jeniger]

The real taboo is that IDM is for people with no taste

No but seriously, all thngs can be asked but the action that follows is what matters,... in my experience the abuse of "wrong kinds" of tabacco or tabacco in generall is sometimes a bit taboo, the use of alcohol. Eating of genetic modified food.. Often people dont want to fully understand points where they have to do a bit of effort to take responsebility.

Oher things that comes to mind are for example on this forum displaying animal cruelty or asking advice to use heroin also comes close being tabboo.

 

[magickmumu]

I don't have the feeling there are unwritten laws here.
Maybe some people have strong opinions like IDM is for people with no taste. But that just them.
It say's nothing about the community as a whole.

 

[VapourTrail]

You cannot say ANYTHING about ALL of ANY community.

Not a modern one.

That doesn't mean there aren't trends.

 

[BrainEater]

maybe it's more like an unspoken law and maybe there are differences in taboos which exist in the written realm of language and others which exist more in the spoken language?? and maybe a law =/= rule and maybe rules are more like "guidelines"??

 

[silv]

You cannot say ANYTHING about ALL of ANY community.

Not a modern one.

That doesn't mean there aren't trends.

I would say though that no one has been talking about the entire community as an entity if you will. What I posted (and to some extent what jeniger posted) I feel is kind of a taboo in that (for example) if you voice the opinion (or something derived from that opinion) i described in a discussion about psychedelic experiences you are very likely to be accused of ridiculing the other side where you might be showing the other side a mirror that shows them how many scientists would view their ideas so they are forced in a way to rethink how they might disambiguate (if that's even a word) their sometimes vague concepts.

I feel this might be misunderstood quite badly, so especially if you feel insulted ask me exactly what I mean. Also I think I overgeneralize to a quite big extent (i say black and white where i mean lots of shades of grey ).

 

[Jeniger]

Some things are just trips and it is no good wearing a cloak of superiority and pretending it was your time and it isn't anyone else's. Some things are unique to you and the only way other people will experience them is by adequate description from you

This is perfect example of what i was trying to say, i only explanied my own experience with good intentions. The superiority is a projection of your own reality,in my reality i was trying to be helpfull. And reading up one of the original discussion(afther a google search here and here) i think no one there had intentions to hide the truth, this can also be a projection from yourself. U should leave the context intact imo
I can tell u how great music is but u have to listen and experience it yourself to understand what music is

In everything u read.... u will read your own reality

Is this enough demonstration? :mrgreen:

 

[VapourTrail]

The context is not the threads the discussion took place in but the personal messages I received afterwards.

I was not offended by anything you said.

I think one of the things I have noticed from here and there is that people here tend to discuss things with members of their family and I recall a thread a while back here discussing conversations about entheogens that people here had had with their parents etc.

 

[ophiuchus]

"adrianhaffner - I am not just talking about trips people have had, just ideas in general, not necessarily those driven by psychedelics. It is just the people I reference would be considered part of the psychedelic community.

I think I'm just wondering, how far spread is this attitude?

Do people here take offence at my asking?

If you told me every living cell that ever existed is connected, literally and not just metaphorically, would you take offence to me asking about the nature of the connection? I would assume if you told any scientist the same thing they would seek to either prove or disprove the theory. They would build instruments that would be able to trace those connections, given enough time. Maybe they will."

word. i see what you mean now.. i always strive to find the good questions, the hardest ones. they must be faced, and yes, i cannot stand when someone dances around a topic, but also keep in mind, that like i said, some questions simply cannot be answered

 

[ophiuchus]

i just now finished reading this thread entirely. including the linked "google searched" topics on entheogen.com...

i think i now know why you are frustrated by not receiving answers. its because there were 117 of them about one statement!! nobody is going to be that willing to answer that many questions at once. some of them are loaded questions too..

you wont get solid answers to your questions from them,so long as they keep posting in the same manner. the manner that caused you to question in the first place is a presentation of information. they're assuming you already know about what they are saying.. so, naturally, holes are left open...

i'd like to try to explain what info they have layed out for you.

"when an animal brain learns to harmonise with, and express the DNA level"
this means to me: learning to express yourself on the most basic level of living expression, which is basically transfer of information, and aiding transfer of information, to be very general. making it as easy as possible. after all, thats what dna is/does, correct? a very basic, efficient means to transfer information?

a moral stance begins to emerge. "whats good or bad (for making information easy to transfer?)" what will preserve the most life, as to save the most time for everyone, and therefore educate the most people etc etc so that we can try to make things easy, well easier for ourselves, all of us. in other words, whats the "right" decision (for life)?

i can relate this to my sense of "whats best for me?" a feeling that i know everybody with a well oiled brain has. if i ask myself that question and meditate on it when faced with any problem, im probably going to choose the path that most directly, happily, efficiently etc, will get me to my goal, or get other people to their goal, so long as it has positive benefit. like fork said, very basic stuff, but it does become very elaborate upon further scrutiny.


ijinx: "It means being able to tune the ego level of awareness to the transpersonal level of basic cellular awareness, and replicate that more universal perspective in a local brain."

to me that means, taking your everyday normal, judgemental consciousness, and basically just come to realize that you are a gargantuan mass of cells, all cooperating together, in harmony for the most part. now redirect that unnecessary mental effort of feeling alone, and worrying about what other people think of you etc, (because YOU, that 1, are not even one being, so how can you be alone??) towards paying attention, or rather, focusing your attention to life as a whole, and not just you yourself, your friends, city, but all of life as a whole, and let your actions be reflected in this thought process at all times.

occam: "what are the cells aware of exactly?"

that's not what he's saying, but it will apply nonetheless. its so so simple. the cells are aware of themselves, as well as the cells around them. i mean thats what we're talking about here, self awareness... they simply have to be. you cannot lift a weight with a few random cells. they "talk" to each other via messenger cells (nerves) and all synchronize at once to create this epic feat of moving things that they cannot even directly percieve, at a millionth of the scale of the objects we see.

so that's what this is all about, paying attention to, and contributing to life in general as one entity, furthering that entity, but recognizing its breakdown into smaller components as well as the more obvious larger ones. you are a "cell" of the world as the world is a cell in the galaxy, as that galaxy is a cell, and so on until you get to universes, and then beyond that im quite sure. sorry for the long wind, but this is really a basic concept. hope it makes sense to you.. size is (extremely)relative.

feel free to question if you have any

 

[ophiuchus]

I would say though that no one has been talking about the entire community as an entity if you will. What I posted (and to some extent what jeniger posted) I feel is kind of a taboo in that (for example) if you voice the opinion (or something derived from that opinion) i described in a discussion about psychedelic experiences you are very likely to be accused of ridiculing the other side where you might be showing the other side a mirror

i try to show the mirror every time... sometimes its gotta be a BIG mirror though :lol:

but you are right, alot of people dont like that, for whatever reason

 

[VapourTrail]

i just now finished reading this thread entirely. including the linked "google searched" topics on entheogen.com...

i think i now know why you are frustrated by not receiving answers. its because there were 117 of them about one statement!! nobody is going to be that willing to answer that many questions at once. some of them are loaded questions too..

you wont get solid answers to your questions from them,so long as they keep posting in the same manner. the manner that caused you to question in the first place is a presentation of information. they're assuming you already know about what they are saying.. so, naturally, holes are left open...

i'd like to try to explain what info they have layed out for you.

"when an animal brain learns to harmonise with, and express the DNA level"
this means to me: learning to express yourself on the most basic level of living expression, which is basically transfer of information, and aiding transfer of information, to be very general. making it as easy as possible. after all, thats what dna is/does, correct? a very basic, efficient means to transfer information?

a moral stance begins to emerge. "whats good or bad (for making information easy to transfer?)" what will preserve the most life, as to save the most time for everyone, and therefore educate the most people etc etc so that we can try to make things easy, well easier for ourselves, all of us. in other words, whats the "right" decision (for life)?

i can relate this to my sense of "whats best for me?" a feeling that i know everybody with a well oiled brain has. if i ask myself that question and meditate on it when faced with any problem, im probably going to choose the path that most directly, happily, efficiently etc, will get me to my goal, or get other people to their goal, so long as it has positive benefit. like fork said, very basic stuff, but it does become very elaborate upon further scrutiny.


ijinx: "It means being able to tune the ego level of awareness to the transpersonal level of basic cellular awareness, and replicate that more universal perspective in a local brain."

to me that means, taking your everyday normal, judgemental consciousness, and basically just come to realize that you are a gargantuan mass of cells, all cooperating together, in harmony for the most part. now redirect that unnecessary mental effort of feeling alone, and worrying about what other people think of you etc, (because YOU, that 1, are not even one being, so how can you be alone??) towards paying attention, or rather, focusing your attention to life as a whole, and not just you yourself, your friends, city, but all of life as a whole, and let your actions be reflected in this thought process at all times.

occam: "what are the cells aware of exactly?"

that's not what he's saying, but it will apply nonetheless. its so so simple. the cells are aware of themselves, as well as the cells around them. i mean thats what we're talking about here, self awareness... they simply have to be. you cannot lift a weight with a few random cells. they "talk" to each other via messenger cells (nerves) and all synchronize at once to create this epic feat of moving things that they cannot even directly percieve, at a millionth of the scale of the objects we see.

so that's what this is all about, paying attention to, and contributing to life in general as one entity, furthering that entity, but recognizing its breakdown into smaller components as well as the more obvious larger ones. you are a "cell" of the world as the world is a cell in the galaxy, as that galaxy is a cell, and so on until you get to universes, and then beyond that im quite sure. sorry for the long wind, but this is really a basic concept. hope it makes sense to you.. size is (extremely)relative.

feel free to question if you have any

I question why you ask about the thread when I stated I was asking about private messages I received.

This is not meant as an insult, just an observation.

I do appreciate your contribution.

For what it is worth, those questions were asked afterwards, it was more a parody of the messages I received privately, since I already did not expect any answers.

The cells are aware of themselves?

You are implying single cells are conscious?

That is one big statement to make.

The only reason I asked so many questions is because I had already been told that I should not ask any questions by that point as no one would be willing to answer.

They also were not added at once.

That is not the act that causes frustration, that was after my frustration had died down and I wanted to make a joke.

I actually think the original poster answered me fairly well anyway and I have no problem with the answer that was given.

 

[ophiuchus]

alright, haha. i got the feeling i was missing something important... but in relation to cells. i believe that cells are self-aware in the obvious manner that you are made of nothing BUT cells, and are also aware of yourself.