The link between happy and sad?

[Psyolopher]

Where is it?
I suffer from depressions and panic attacks!
I know how it is to be REALLY REALLY down for a long long time!
and a short time!
Now im currently really happy for no reason at all!
And looking at life, i feel like i can do stuff! Enjoy stuff!
Feel more free, but i find that i dont the same insight on myself!
its like my soul just changed!
Anyway, i often cant seem to comprehend to be sad when i am happy!
and vice versa!

its so weird!
I will write more and explain better tomorrow i hope!
peace

 

[Subtle_Nod]

Could be something, could be nothing.

I suggest you see a doctor and have a look at this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder

It describes you quite well.

I'm not a doctor, just take my advise with some salt and go see yours.

Enjoy the happy phase.

 

[Nomada]

That diagnose had and impact on me a couple of years ago because I fitted it all too well. I made me feel ill and more depressed.

I think people ascribe happiness and sadness to the same sphere this way: "I feel happy when I'm not sad, sad when I'm not happy". In this way happiness and sadness are permanently fused at their perceived value. This dangerous bipolar hallucination has gotten me pretty fucked up.
I think happiness and sadness are two sides of the same coin, a coin of hallucination.
I'm in the process of realization that everything is divine, sacred and this realization I believe shatters completely my notion of happiness to a whole new level and I can't remember feeling "characteristically" happy nor sad in more than ten months.
Peace.

 

[restin]

I think Subtle_nod is right with his assumption to consider bipolarity.

I feel very creative at such extreme stages, use your energy and it will be "more fun"

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

People who were born at a time when the Moon and Uranus were separate by 180 degrees or 90 degrees (an opposition and a square respectively, which are 'hard aspects') will be diagnosed/labeled BPD throughout life. I've personally known two people with BPD who have this aspect in their horoscope. It is not a disease than can be cured, for if the Moon-Uranus aspect is there, it's simply a part of the personality.

Mercury making these aspects with Uranus may produce similar mood swings, though I've also seen such aspects resulting in epilepsy (my brother and many other examples) or similar nervous disorders.

Moon square or opposite Mercury may also give mood swings, but they will be less severe.

If the above aspects are not found in the horoscope, the mood swings may be a temporary problem which can be reduced with therapy (psychological, nutritional or medicinal).

 

[Forkbender]

Where is the link between happy and sad?

You are it.

 

[restin]

are you serious?

 

[Subtle_Nod]

People who were born at a time when the Moon and Uranus were separate by 180 degrees or 90 degrees (an opposition and a square respectively, which are 'hard aspects') will be diagnosed/labeled BPD throughout life. I've personally known two people with BPD who have this aspect in their horoscope. It is not a disease than can be cured, for if the Moon-Uranus aspect is there, it's simply a part of the personality.

Mercury making these aspects with Uranus may produce similar mood swings, though I've also seen such aspects resulting in epilepsy (my brother and many other examples) or similar nervous disorders.

Moon square or opposite Mercury may also give mood swings, but they will be less severe.

If the above aspects are not found in the horoscope, the mood swings may be a temporary problem which can be reduced with therapy (psychological, nutritional or medicinal).

You shouldn't peddle that to people who are in a state of mind where they could believe you.

It's called coincidence.

I know two people two died before they were 30, both had an E in their name as the third letter. I don't blame their name.

If you make enough predictions like this eventually there will be a group of people who've had everything come true, those people will believe it as truth.

You just seem to be in that group.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I didn't predict anything.

Moods swings may be a temporary phenomenon or part of one's personality, that's all I was saying.

 

[GOD]

I`d like to see some facts / studys about astrology , and about astrology and mental ilness .

 

[Psyolopher]

Well i've never been diagnosed with Bipolar disorder!
But then again, you might be right!
Im most of the time pretty calm down, I spend all my free time on thinking!
Observing, with all my senses!
There goes many months where i dont go down or up for that matter!
I dont know if i have a strong diagnose of this!
So, yeah i will go see a doctor!
But really? is it just Nomada who gets where i am going?
Am I the only one who has problems comprehending the link?

Really think about it, when you are happy as fuck!
What are you thinking? How do you look at the world?
And when you are sad, the same!
All the emotions are highly stimulating, but really whats happening?

 

[restin]

I wouldn't say from what I hear that you are strong bipolar. I heard of people bein euphoric, hyperactive, creative for weeks, not sleeping, working,drawing, not being able to hold still.

And then suddendly, depression. These depressions very often include thoughts of suicide, also tries of suicide. How "hard" are your depressions?

Yes, CM is right, can be a phase. How long is it with you? Is it the first time you are "euphoric"?

 

[st.bot.32]

Don't know if it helps at all, but yeah, I've had periods of my life where I was severely depressed, for a year or two at a time. During the worst of those periods, days, weeks on end of cloudy depressed haze (no drugs of any kind at the time), time dragging like claws on a chalkboard, I couldn't even remember what the sensation of joy or happiness felt like.

During happier periods of my life, I actually forget completely what it is like to be depressed. Two sides of the same coin indeed.

When I was depressed, besides having many life issues to work out and deal with, I realized at some point that this expectation to be happy for me was maybe part of the problem. I couldn't reasonably expect to be happy most of the time. And somehow since then my emotions have started to balance out for the most part. I enjoy the good moments when they pop out and surprise me. I still have very bad days occasionally, or if I get underslept and stressed I have small bad periods, but nothing at all like those earlier dark periods.

At some point I realized I actually really enjoy having a wide range of emotions. They are like colors, shades and filters in life. Those rare moments of profound joy and pure ecstasy, or deep despair are as powerful as -any- drug.

When I get into negative headspaces now, I recognize them. I just remind myself that they are temporary. Like a trip. They will pass. And I do my best to just handle myself through them. This is the most profound lesson psychonauting has taught me: to recognize how my emotions affect my judgement, and give me a chance to view myself a bit more objectively. (for the most part )


sorta on topic:

I had an amazing cannabis experience recently where I saw all this imagery and felt all these emotions I hadn't felt since I was a little kid... they suddenly came springing out: these unclouded feelings of joy, pure happiness at being alive, running about, enjoying the sunlight, playing etc... Such a pure, raw emotion, free from worry, that I knew existed but hadn't felt for a long time. It was a powerful realization and I'll be thinking about it for a while.

 

[GOD]

People self diagnosis and long distance telepathic diagnosis can be dangerous .

And hypochondriacs can end up with imaginary ilnesses like HPPD .

 

[Oknayd]

i can relate, i have found myself often thinking how i came from one point to another, for example seeing mostly negative things feeling very low and down, towards feeling free and seeing open possibilities everywhere (i'm not talking about just feeling happy i guess) It's hard to remember how i came to where i am at either moment but maybe its all just bullshit, wanting to find reasons/solutions..

uhm, did i make any sense?

 

[Psyolopher]

i can relate, i have found myself often thinking how i came from one point to another, for example seeing mostly negative things feeling very low and down, towards feeling free and seeing open possibilities everywhere (i'm not talking about just feeling happy i guess) It's hard to remember how i came to where i am at either moment but maybe its all just bullshit, wanting to find reasons/solutions..

uhm, did i make any sense?

Yeah you did, i just felt really euphoric yesterday!
And then i saw possibilities everywhere, i felt like i can really work hard on my hobbies (Dj'ing, and music production) But sometimes i never have the motivation(Due to depression)
I cant say if its all BULLSHIT, but i wish atleast to learn more!
one of my biggest fear is not knowing!

People self diagnosis and long distance telepathic diagnosis can be dangerous .

And hypochondriacs can end up with imaginary ilnesses like HPPD .

Well i certainly dont have HPPD nor Alice in Wonderland syndrome!
But one thing that i do, is i over analyze everything in a very complex and fast way! But its all through direct experience!
This can be bad, but it has also made me a stronger person!
And i cant see the road to HPPD!

st.bot.32:
Thank you for an long and honest reply!
I am very much like you i guess!
I've had the same cannabis experience, and the same moments!
Just right here in this exact moment, those bipolar like disorders are hitting me hard!
Most of the time, im very down!
Im out of work because of it, and i just cant go on living a normal life!
But i am really curios about this, because i recently became very aware of this!
So is there any documentation or articles/books about this 'phenomena' ?

This is a really interesting subject to me!

 

[Subtle_Nod]

If you read my other topic - we share some things. More than I guess you'd realize from my other topic.

I agree with god - you need to see a doctor to be diagnosed, all this is just extra thinking for someone who probably thinks too much anyway.

 

[st.bot.32]

Wikipedia probably isn't too bad a place to start if you want to read about it:
[url=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder]http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bipolar_disorder[/url]

 

[restin]

http://biopsychiatry.com/mandep.htm

have fun.

But I don't really think that you are very bipolar. May be a phase, who knows. If I remember right, there are bipolar "reports" and that made me aware of the fact that I am not "very" bipolar but still having some symptoms.

 

[GOD]

I ment that subjective personal diagnosis are not reliable . A doctor is neutral of his patients personal conscious / unconscious wishes / needs .

If one has a problem when that problem becomes important enough one goes to a doctor . Better go now while they are still small enough to ignore before they get bigger and imposible for you to ignore .

Problems wich are being talked about here can be a phase of growing up , a concequence of not having enough to do , not knowing what to do or an ilness .

There comes a time when people choose what they arer going to do with their lives . Then their wishes , dreams and fantasy for them in the future have to be balanceed out by the physical , practicale posibilitys of their lives . That can be very hard and unhappy .

Get off yer arse , do things , get out and meet people . Get mentaly and physicaly satisfied . Fill your life with the things you want your life to be about , with who you want to be . Get a proper diagnosis . Dont sentance yourself to being ill and then identify yourself with an ilness . Dont take your feelings to serious . The oine side is feeling and saying that you are down , the other is thinking fuck it i will get better and i`m not going to swim in it i`m going to try to be happy despite feeling down .