TED talk on agriculture.

[spice]

I can understand that you don't care. but please tell me, to what shall I wake up and how do I know when it happens?

oh no you don't

(finger wag)

I told you that this wasnt going to become a circle jerk with me in the middle.


I've posted enough stuff for you to figure it out, you're a smart guy.


(and if you can 'understand that I don't care' then surely you can understand why I am angry. They are inter-related)

 

[ararat]

(and if you can 'understand that I don't care' then surely you can understand why I am angry. They are inter-related)

good point. I guess the part that I didn't quite understand is how you are expecting to change the world through anger. I see that it does something, I'm just not entirely sure if that is a good, or let's use a better word, integrous way to change things.

 

[spice]

point taken, but sitting around on the ass talking like those insipid NPR types about 'the need for change' isn't working, there comes a time when some galvanizing force must emerge, if anger is the imperfect vehicle, so be it, I feel it far superior to endless discussion on things like de-forestation of the rainforest.

Sometimes you have to be aggressive and point fingers, it seems everyone is afraid where that leads to.....which is something that pisses me off as well.....surely passion is a requisite


Some people think discussion is necessary, and it is, up to a point.


Again, the original request for a synopsis wasn't unreasonable, ( a discussion is what was being asked for) what is unreasonable is for someone to not give it, and none of you would.


you see?

 

[ararat]

I do, and I agree.

to me, the whole thing wasn't about the synopsis at all anymore, more a general thing that had been bugging me for some time.

 

[spice]

I am responding to everyone who posted on the thread, not you in particular.

 

[spice]

...and since I am being brutally honest here (seems you have been too) let me say that at almost 50 years of age and a seasoned psychedelic traveler for nearly 20 of those 50 years, I take offense when some youngster who isn't even experienced in the modalities of perception should seek to tell me I am full of shit

much less the fat and lazy implication. People that live in glasshouses shouldn't throw stones

(and that wasnt meant for you banana)

 

[IJesusChrist]

Spice why do you just push us away? I'm just putting stuff on here to help.

I don't give two shits if your senioritis is exploding and you think you know everything, don't post anything then.

 

[Sticki]

I can understand that you don't care. but please tell me, to what shall I wake up and how do I know when it happens?

oh no you don't

(finger wag)

I told you that this wasnt going to become a circle jerk with me in the middle.


I've posted enough stuff for you to figure it out, you're a smart guy.


(and if you can 'understand that I don't care' then surely you can understand why I am angry. They are inter-related)

Hello people, I feel I have something to add....

Firstly Spice, You obviously care or you wouldnt be here for any other reason then to cause trouble.
The average person does not learn anything from pointless aggression other then you are an angry person and the message you try to convey gets lost in the translation of the most predominant message, That being, YOU are angry.

Secondly, A circle jerk with you in the middle?
You sound some what paranoid and like you prefer to stand above the circle and jerk on them this nonsesnse about being angry.

And Finally, The stuff that is happening in the world right now. Yeah its bad but its worse when people can no longer relate to one another... So rather then point out the problems and cause a devide, Why dont you work to come up with a solution that is fitting to yourself and then through the act of demonstration try and convey to those who care to change themselves how this approach benefits you.

Spice this is not an attack of any sort, Merely an observation.
You have my MSN address and I am on there most days, I invited you to talk a while ago the offer still stands.

P.S. The Glass is half FULL

 

[ophiuchus]

who has said you were full of shit spice? i would hope you wouldn't think it was anything i've said, as i share a similar (if less extensive) base of knowledge of our country (world), so i can hardly disagree with the any of the facts you present. please keep in mind that i am being sincere here, and also that my post was directed at a number of member, not solely you, spice. i think any anger not related to the original topic is unwarranted in such a blanketing way.

as i mentioned before, my issue with summation is that more often than not, it is misleading. sure, i appreciate some information beforehand so i don't have to waste time figuring out if it's something i already know, but i think discussion is the key to that, not merely a one pointed view. sometimes i'll notice a new topic, but let it build before i get into it and post. others opinions sometimes help me to gather my own thoughts and criticisms in a more time efficient manner after taking in some new material. anyways this will get pretty redundant on my part if i continue past this so ill leave it at that.

thing is, even though i encourage it, and i personally would have included at least a sentence long summary, the fact is, i can't expect that everybody (or anybody) to do things my way.

so far i think everyone has "wasted" more time in the criticizing of each other, than they have in the figuring out what the video covers, and discussing it, combined. :?

 

[spice]

IJC- I'm not talking to you at all. You are likely a waste of my breath and you have convinced me, never fear. Talk to me in 20 years or so. (read my signature if you don't understand because it is probably my final word to you.)

Sticki- I know when I am projecting anger. You have talked to me in pm and chat enough to know that


allusion its not you.


There is a time for NPR type rhetoric, and that time is over.


If I am being polarizing, then so be it.


Maybe it's TIME for that, maybe it is also time that we go beyond

'oh there is a loss of our pure agricultural ways'

no fucking shit


I am about holding someone responsible, not wringing my hands in anguish.


Let's talk about DUPONT if you wanna moan about the loss of pure agriculture. Let us speak of real solutions to real problems. But, hey guess what? You will have to alter the system that makes these things possible in order to really fix anything.

These aren't theoretical problems. They are going to kill people with their goddammn solutions, don't you guys get it?

OF COURSE YOU GET IT I AM NOT STUPID

but you seem unable to go past that point......sorry but 'boycotting' isnt going to work. It may work in a smaller economy where people are much more cohesive AS a people, but THIS......IS......NOT.......that place.



There is NOT FUCKING TIME for another flower-child generation, don't you guys see? It's time to claim a birthright and really, actually *really* begin taking responsibility for a mother-+&^$#! solution.


which may involve doing, saying, AND *being* some conceptually distasteful things



I really dont see any other way to explain it guys


everyone who is complacent is doomed, and probably that isnt a metaphor.

 

[IJesusChrist]

spice:

If you can't carry on a conversation with anyone from psychonaut.com about how shitty america or the world is, then that is your problem, buddy and you're just going to continually alienate yourself. I doubt you can possibly comprehend this as it is apparent (to me) that you are becoming a paranoid man in your aging. You are succumbing to fear and I do not doubt you want to isolate yourself far from everything in a log cabin somewhere in the woods with a generator to get away from "them".

You're losing touch, Spice. You're expanding and inflating problems in your head, you're creating us as the enemy.

Good luck to you.

None of us have a clue.

Only you do.

You're the smartest person in the entire world, and no one can understand how powerful "they" are.

Good luck with that, Spice.

Somehow I hope you'll take a step back and realize how far you've succumbed to underground liberalism and chaotic anarchists, but I myself realize you will come back (or maybe not at all) and simply flame me. (of course what do I expect when I call you an angry paranoid hobo?)

 

[spice]

I do not care what your thoughts about me personally are.


I would post a picture of an ostrich with the stars and stripes blindfolding it (and a flagpole in his butt) if I could find it, but it wouldn't mean anything


you need to keep working on your right brain, that is, if your left can take it


(we know the answer, you have supplied it)


PS- you really are a damn fine example of 'disrespectful young moron'

 

[IJesusChrist]

You're an ostrich with left wing underground apocalyptic propaganda flag.

I just don't know what else to say to you. You will never change - you're locked in. Nobody can perturb you. You are a rock, a stubborn old man. I've presented facts to you that you put down because I said them. I've presented long discussion, and you come in and start yelling "Nobody is smart! Nobody understands. Everyone is blind" Essentially alluding to you being the only one with sight.

Get real spice - or continue to alienate every single person you have ever come in contact with. You're heading down the road paralleled by a fizzling neurotic. We've been saying all along we agree with you, yet you keep coming back and saying we're ignorant. Do you see what that means?

If we do agree with you, we don't agree enough. Nobody is good enough for you, spice.

Are you past the point of introspection?

I've questioned my ideologies my entire life. I've realized the world is a complex system that cannot be concentrated into the hands of a few men. I've realized that I have the capability of leaving that which I do not enjoy (and plan to). I've changed my mind based upon facts, knowledge, empathy, and logic. I play devil's advocate with every argument I am presented with, constantly trying to pry out the most true explanation, the most realistic solution. I don't have years but I have a good brain. I'm not hardened, made cold by fear and antagonism, pessimism. I see what is in front of me as an abstract metaphor, largely based on biological and physical processes, not emotional and controlling in humanity.

You spice need to leave the country. You are a nuisance, a pest, a chaotic finger wagging and word slanging man. You aren't fighting any good fight by pushing us all away and miniaturizing our intelligence. You aren't doing shit. You want change? Be the change you want to see, don't prolong this fear-avenging, propaganda-spewing, man without a face. If you're so pissed off get the fuck out or do something. Stop building up this anger, paranoia of "them" vrs "us" or mark my words you're not going to like where you end up.

I'm done trying to show that we're on the same side, I'm done trying to show nobody on here is against you. I'm done trying to relate to you and for you to relate to me. I'm finished empathizing with you. I see what you are, I've seen what it does, and either you take a step back and focus on yourself, rather than externalizing your anger, or have a fun time fizzling out in a mind of hate, anger, and pessimism.

Good day spice - I hope you make some good choices.