Schizophrenia and Cannabis
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Interesting fact: THC is classified as a psychotomimetic, while CBD is used for it's antipsychotic properties. http://www.google.be/search?hl=nl&clien ... ic&spell=1
So could the cannabinoid constitution be responsible for psychosis in cannabis users? This would also cover GOD's theory about indoor and outdoor weed a bit...
So could the cannabinoid constitution be responsible for psychosis in cannabis users? This would also cover GOD's theory about indoor and outdoor weed a bit...
I think its worth pointing out too that psychiatry, like many sciences, has changed significantly in the past couple decades.
Fortunately I know people studying psychology and being curious, asking them questions it is interesting and reassuring to see that the scientific method is most definitely being used in their field of practice.. it most definitely is a science.
Actually I know of people for whom psychedelics got them interested in psychology and the human mind to begin with!
The problem is that a lot of people are still under the impression that psychiatry is based on interpreting the personal ravings of a famous cocaine fiend... all that stuff has pretty much been debunked
--edit: whoa post #666. sweeet!
Fortunately I know people studying psychology and being curious, asking them questions it is interesting and reassuring to see that the scientific method is most definitely being used in their field of practice.. it most definitely is a science.
Actually I know of people for whom psychedelics got them interested in psychology and the human mind to begin with!
The problem is that a lot of people are still under the impression that psychiatry is based on interpreting the personal ravings of a famous cocaine fiend... all that stuff has pretty much been debunked
--edit: whoa post #666. sweeet!
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haha sweeeet!
I think that Freuds interpretation of the Psyche is very interesting and worth reading. The idea of the subconciousness is still current. If I remember right, his interpretation of sexuality was proven wrong...still an interesting lecture.
But what does that have to do with the topic? Psyoloper said that the idea of psychologie is damnable and a
I say that that is not true. A psyciatrist, I agree, will never know everything about the psyche, as the subconciousness is extremely deep. But if someone thinks of killing himself, he should rather go to a psychiatrist.
YES there are lazy, greedy psychiatrists that give meds to the client and say "everything will be alright" or just send him to the hospital. But using them as a general example is just not true.
But what does that have to do with the topic? Psyoloper said that the idea of psychologie is damnable and a
I say that that is not true. A psyciatrist, I agree, will never know everything about the psyche, as the subconciousness is extremely deep. But if someone thinks of killing himself, he should rather go to a psychiatrist.
YES there are lazy, greedy psychiatrists that give meds to the client and say "everything will be alright" or just send him to the hospital. But using them as a general example is just not true.
Oh, I agree, I wouldn't dispute the historical value of his work and insights, even in kick-starting the field of practice, but personal interpretations, personal anecdotes and insights are not exactly chock full of scientific rigor or the scientific method. I think it is important to distinguish this because many people know very little about the current practice of psychology, they have a picture of psychology as it was imagined to be--a while ago. (Hollywood doesn't help, it STILL presents psychology in this manner) Hence I think that the best response to the often-heard phrase that psychology is a pseudoscience is to be clear that it does indeed stand up to scientific rigor.. is falsifiable and follows the same procedures as other sciences..
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cannabis lets schizophrenia break out more easily, if it is latent in the user.
of course there is a difference in the break-out-types in the users and maybe the way they are using the substance (e.g. frequency, amount of weed taken) has an influence as well on "their schizophrenia".
basically i think this could be, because cannabis tends to open the mind (expand consciousness), and therefore bring subconscious thoughts or memories or emotions to "the light of the consciousness". obviously some users have problems then accepting their own thoughts or emotions, which they had previously not even known that they had such thoughts in their "latent mind".
but well, as i see it, cannabis only works as a catalyst for these type of persons, so the plant itself cannnot be blamed in my opinion.
the ones who can be blamed is the ones who don't provide the necessary information for the user, but well schizophrenia is always a chance i think, because if you know yourself or others know yourself you can probably solve some personal issues of yourself by using this plant or by introspection in your schizophrenic mind.
peace :weedman:
of course there is a difference in the break-out-types in the users and maybe the way they are using the substance (e.g. frequency, amount of weed taken) has an influence as well on "their schizophrenia".
basically i think this could be, because cannabis tends to open the mind (expand consciousness), and therefore bring subconscious thoughts or memories or emotions to "the light of the consciousness". obviously some users have problems then accepting their own thoughts or emotions, which they had previously not even known that they had such thoughts in their "latent mind".
but well, as i see it, cannabis only works as a catalyst for these type of persons, so the plant itself cannnot be blamed in my opinion.
the ones who can be blamed is the ones who don't provide the necessary information for the user, but well schizophrenia is always a chance i think, because if you know yourself or others know yourself you can probably solve some personal issues of yourself by using this plant or by introspection in your schizophrenic mind.
peace :weedman:
BrainEater a dit:
I'd like to offer up another possible reason, just a hypothesis of mine from personal experience
This idea came to me after long periods of sleep deprivation (sleep deprivation by the way can trigger psychosis and schizophrenia).. if you've ever gone weeks with very little sleep you know how surreal the world gets, how easy it is to get paranoid, misinterpret people, lose control of your emotions, etc.
Anytime I've ever thought I was losing it, going a bit crazy, I've realized that I'm not getting enough sleep (like 4 hours per night or something).. after a few nights proper shuteye I feel so much better.
We all know weed affects sleeping and dreaming. Perhaps a lot of chronic weed smokers just aren't sleeping properly.
It could be one possible cause mixed in with others.
I like both options, of BrainEater and st.bot.32...I´ll think about that.
What do you want to say st.bot.32? What exactly is the wrong image of psy chology and what is the right one?
EDIT after thinking:
I am not sure. When I can´t sleep and I smoke a joint, I sleep like a baby. Despite that I heard that remembering dreams is harder with weed, I remember them better...
What do you want to say st.bot.32? What exactly is the wrong image of psy chology and what is the right one?
EDIT after thinking:
I am not sure. When I can´t sleep and I smoke a joint, I sleep like a baby. Despite that I heard that remembering dreams is harder with weed, I remember them better...
restin a dit:
Me too, I sometimes like to take a hit and fall asleep, someone on this forum appropriately called it "riding the psychedelic rollercoaster"... but of course every person, every body is different, i know people who get major insomnia after they smoke weed. also if i smoke everyday for a while, i do tend to stop dreaming after a few days
as for your first question, not really sure how to make what i was saying any clearer. but ill try. right image=people genuinely interested in learning about the workings of the human mind, hopefully interested in helping their fellow man, following the scientific method meaning properly sized tests, varying sizes of control groups, proper peer review, criticism, open to falsifiability. the mark of what science is supposed to be all about. wrong image=a lack of science, lack of falsifiability, ridculously small control groups (if any) wikipedia does it better than me, for an example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychoanalysis#Criticisms
Anyway I'm not really trying to personally attack or debunk anything here, like I said I totally see modern psychology as a science, beyond that I think Freud's work does have some importance, just pointing out why people feel about things they way they do..
restin a dit:
I agree. When i'm smoking cannabis on a daily basis i'm still having dreams, it's just that my short term memory is less strong or something so i wake up and... poef! It's like my thoughts are not really on a line, so it's difficult to remember what I just thought about. A associative kind of thinking...cannabis thinking
When i wake up and ask myself "what did i dream?" most of the times i will remember it... it's just a bit harder and takes some time.
Of course this doesn't mean that there is no difference between sleeping sober or sleeping after smoking cannabis, but i do have dreams.
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