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Psychonautica #30 - from the World Psychedelic forum

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This episode of psychonautica comes from the World Psychedelic conference in Basel Switzerland, Max is joined by Earthmansurfer, Elfa and Maya, talking about Stanislav Grof's talks on psychedelic therapy, ego death and rebirth, bad trips, psychiatric medication, perinatal trauma, the art of H.R Giger, and transit astrology. Also, they talk about Dennis Mckenna's talk on obscure psychedelics, such as psychedelic fish, toads and insects, Dale Pendell's psychedelic poetry, vipassana meditation, Kathleen Harrison's experiences in Mexico with Salvia divinorum, and several different species of psilocybin mushrooms, Native attitudes towards Western psychedelic use, purging on ayahuasca, Ralph Metzner's insights about etymology, low dose vs high dose experiences, psychedelic vs psycholytic psychotherapy, Pinchbeck vs Mckenna's views on personal responsibility, and Socrates' epistemology. Email [email protected], and join the community of friendly psychonauts at www.thegrowreport.com.

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Thanks Max, that all sounds very interesting! I joined the Grow Report yesterday. I was quite surprised that transit astrology was brought up during the forum (by Stanislav Grof). I know it works. There are certain transits that will give you a rough trip, and certain which give an easy or delightful experience. Recently I decided to do ayahuasca, and there were neither negative nor positive transits that evening. So I took the ayahuasca, but aside from a relaxed buzz, it didn't give significant effects (i.e. it was neither positive nor negative). Another time I was dosed unexpectedly with an empathogen, and could only check out the transit afterwards, and it accurately described the effects (Moon trine natal Pluto). I've also noted down when I had a hilarious trip with friends, and checked the transits afterwards, and as Stan Grof said, it happened during a prominent Venus transit. An extremely mystical, but somewhat frightening and disorienting trip occured during a transit of Moon conjunct natal Ketu (the South Node of the Moon, the Dragon's Tail), my first experiment with 8 grams of dried cubensis. A pleasant trip on my own occured when the Moon was conjunct natal Jupiter. So if transits determine the nature of the trip, in what ways are the different levels of consciousness and the larger objects in space related? How are we and this universe related? If everything in our lives runs in synch with the larger universe, to what extent are we and the cosmos separate from eachother? Am I this body of bones and flesh, or are those bones and flesh simply part of the cosmic whirlpool, with only my awareness in the very center being truly "me"?

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When we look up at the stars, we see them through different layers surrounding this Earth, such as the stratosphere. And we do so through the lenses of our eyes. Why do we consider the lens part of ourselves, but not the clouds and ozone layer?

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I believe neither the atmosphere nor my eyes are truly part of me. They are both part of my experience. Even the thoughts and moods that I go through, they are all part of the dynamic of this world, unavoidable. Suffering and separation are unavoidable, just as pleasure and love are unavoidable. Free will? Well, I wish this body of mine could stay young forever, but it can't. I wish my parents wouldn't die, but they have to. We can't demand too much from this experience. All we can do is go with the flow, unconsciously or consciously. Since true astrology maps the characteristics of time fragments, i.e. the flow of life for each individual, it can be a tool to understand where the flow is heading at any particular point in time. It may not be necessary to know one's chart or one's current transits, but it is an interesting phenomenon, in many ways "psychedelic".

I like the way Alan Watts describes it all. He says that just as the external appearance of the ocean consists of waves, and the ocean thus "waves", this universe "peoples". As human beings, or beings in general, we are waves in an ocean of waves.

By the way, I don't think people should consult astrologers. I think everyone should become an astrologer. Transit astrology can be learned in a matter of weeks. It doesn't require faith. All one needs is a good program and two books.

I'm rambling. THC...
 
Regarding Stanislav Grof, I just received an email from Videlic. He uploaded, in two parts, one of Grof's presentations at the World Psychedelic Forum:



Thanks Videlic! I'm going to watch them now, because I'm not sure if this is the talk in which he mentioned transit astrology.
 
i was inspired by the Grof talk, and i have a trip journal with the dates of my most profound and influential trips, is there a place on the internet i can check out the astrological relevance of the dates?

Thanx for that video, im going to be podcasting all of the Grof talks very soon
 
I have a trip journal with the dates of my most profound and influential trips, is there a place on the internet i can check out the astrological relevance of the dates?
No, not really. There is astro.com which gives short descriptions of one transit per day, but you can't go back or forward in time, except "yesterday" and "tomorrow". And although transit astrology is pretty straightforward, it still requires interpretation (for example: what if a harmonious and a disharmonious transit coincide?), which programs can't do. You could send me the dates, along with your birth info, and I could try to guess the nature of the trips.
 
thanx for that, i need to find out what time i was born then i will get back to you.....
 
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