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You can breed further if you get a hermaphrodite from your feminised seeds, but you won't have any Y chromosomes in your gene pool, so you have to be lucky.

Colhicine is an antimitoticum, it stops mitosis. When seeds are treated with colhicine the DNA duplicates but the cell doesn't divide. So you have a plant with double DNA (homologue quartets in stead of pairs). Double DNA -> more protein synthesis -> more THC synthesis and bigger plants. This is how skunk was made. Colhicine has few to do with the sex of the plant.
 
I dont want to argue , i want more information .

"more THC synthesis"

Where can i read more about that ? And / or can you tell me why that should be so ?

"This is how skunk was made"

??? Where can i get more information about that ?

"Colhicine has few to do with the sex of the plant."

I shall read some books and tell you what they say .
 
"I dont want to argue , i want more information ."

I know, I was giving information, sorry if it sounded otherwise.

"more THC synthesis"
Metabolic pathways consist of enzymes, coenzymes, cofactors,...
Some of these are obtained by food, others are proteins that are encrypted in the DNA. These will be in higher concentration in tetraploid organisms (e.g. colhicine treated plants) because of more DNA availiable for the ribosomes to copy. This will NOT result in double THC content because there are some reactions that will not go faster because of double DNA.

I hope this is understandable, i'm super stoned right now... :p

more info:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polyploid
http://www.erowid.org/plants/cannabis/c ... on11.shtml

"This is how skunk was made"
I'm pretty sure of this, can't find a reference right now...
 
Thanks , its easy to understand . Its the same as what i had read . The more THC bit is a maybe a little but not a must . But i didnt understand the bit in swahili in the last link .........
 
Plants Also Talk, Researchers Say - Plants use chemicals to communicate with each other

A new study carried out at the University of California involving a parasitic plant known as the dodder vine, now shows that this plant is not only able to consume the water and the nutrients of the host, but it can also tap into the communication system of the latter and use it to gather information for its own purposes.

Plants communicate messages to different parts of their body with the help of RNA molecules. However, the new study shows that in the case of tomatoes with parasitic dodder vines, the RNA molecules can actually be passed into the parasitic plant, and travel up to 30 centimeters from the location where the dodder vine grafted onto the tomato.

"It might be important for the parasite to know when the host is flowering, so it can flower at the same time," said Neelima Sinha of the University of California, Davis, suggesting that the RNA molecules are used by the dodder vine as a means to synchronize its lifecycle to that of the host.

The results of the study could provide a future method to fight off the parasitic plants that attack crop plants. Similar studies investigating the communication capabilities of certain plants found nearly two years ago that before attacking, baby dodder parasites first probe the air for chemicals released by potential hosts.

Also, the western U.S. Shrub, or the sagebrush, was proven to communicate with other sagebrush trees when attacked by insects, so that if they are in turn attacked, the defense systems would be ready to fend off the aggressors.

Similar communication mechanisms can be found in mustard plants, which, when attacked by insects eating away their roots, release a chemical mixture through the leaves and into the air, indicating to other insects that the plant is taken, for example.

http://news.softpedia.com/news/Plants-A ... 1261.shtml
 
What is of course most interesting about all of this is that of all the chemicals these plants could produce, natural selection has led them to produce chemicals that bind to such specific receptors in the brain and or mimic other chemicals in the brain, or act on the CNS.. etc..

Complex organic life I guess.. everything is connected by a common thread..

Mu, Kappa-opiod, 5HT, cannbinoid.. we stand to learn a great deal about the workings of the brain and CNS from these plants..
 
^Not necessarily. Natural selection could've selected humans that had receptors for these specific chemicals. Or it was some form of symbiosis.
 
We have receptors for chemicals the body produces . Not because we have used plants so mutch that the body has adapted and produced the receptors to detect plant chemicals . Some times its a coincidense that plant chemicals similar to body chemicals can attach themselves / fit into to our receptors . If we hadnt had the receptors before we had contact with plant chemicals we wouldnt react to them in the first place .
 
the basic cellular machinery is the same for plants and animals. it makes sense there will be an overlap in what we use to carry information. only the nature of the information will vary
 
druglessdouglas a dit:
the basic cellular machinery is the same for plants and animals. it makes sense there will be an overlap in what we use to carry information. only the nature of the information will vary

yeah, that's exactly what i was getting at but phrased about 10 times better. :)
 
GOD a dit:
We have receptors for chemicals the body produces . Not because we have used plants so mutch that the body has adapted and produced the receptors to detect plant chemicals . Some times its a coincidense that plant chemicals similar to body chemicals can attach themselves / fit into to our receptors . If we hadnt had the receptors before we had contact with plant chemicals we wouldnt react to them in the first place .
druglessdouglas a dit:
the basic cellular machinery is the same for plants and animals. it makes sense there will be an overlap in what we use to carry information. only the nature of the information will vary

Agreed. I´m gonna read more on the neurobiological part of drugs soon as I find some time. Interesting subject.
 
in Psilocybin Mushrooms of the World Paul Stamets postulates that psilocybin is an evolutionary advantage BECAUSE people want to eat them
when you pick psilocybes their spores cling to you, turning you in to a walking mushroom propagator
 
I`m sure thats why fly agaric are bright red and full of Ibotenic acid a flavour enhancer . In the vastness of the tundra other colours of mushrooms get lost .
 
what's the usefulness of THC from the perspective of the weed?
 
It gets higher. :roll:
 
oh c'mon :)

but it has to have a purpose. What's the difference between a weed full of THC and another with not much?
 
it prospers because another organism (us) helps it too. evolution is not progress it is just change. we find a mutation we like and encourage it. it prospers by that mechanisim
 
People will like it and start spreading it.
 
Why do people eat so much if they only shit it out afterwards ?
 
^To fertilize the earth?
 
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