pee and peyote

[GOD]

My opinion .

Finding an answer takes talking and ...........being honest .

Administrators using excuses to abuse their position and carry out private feuds or encouraging mentaly confused peoples confusion is not healthy for the forum or for those people with mental problems , it just strengthens and deepens their problems = they are being abused .

 

[Forkbender]

But what you think of as mental confusion might not seem that way to someone else. I think that's what sparked this whole discussion.

 

[GOD]

My opinion .

True . But . When someone anounces themselves to be elightened and our savior , that we are his pupils , that he can cure AIDS and talkes confused crap for weeks at a time , makes statements that are irational and doesnt explain them its pretty obvious that things are going to far . Its obvious from the guys behavior that hes playing games , trying to lead us like a dancing bear with a ring through our noses and keeps rubbing it in our faces and boasting about it . We managed to keep him in check untill someone with the mesiah complex tried to be nice to him . What did he do ? He kept talking more and more wierd shit , and every time he was encouraged it got more bizar . Up to the point where he anounced that he didnt want to get banned again .


Before anyone says i`m against the guy then they should know that one of the threads where he was talking confused sickness was locked . I asked one of the moderators to open it again as we are suposed to be into freedom of speach and we could probably better contain him if we just treated him rationaly . The thread was opened and died a natural death after a few posts .

" I think that's what sparked this whole discussion."

I dont . I think it was an administrator trying to stear the forum into his own personal esoteric direction , being bisaed and abusing his position to pay back personal grudges . This is the 4th thread in the last few months where he has showed over proportional reactions to me . Have any of the other administrators abused their positions ? No . Do they cause trouble ? No . Do they preach ? No . Do they take sides ? No . Do they try to play mesiah , doctor , therapist therby abusing confused people ? No .

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

True . But . When someone anounces themselves to be elightened

Nothing wrong with that. You claim to have realized we're all GOD, and that therefore your username GOD has nothing to do with an inflated ego, but with enlightened insight.

and our savior

Yes, that would be lame, but he didn't claim to be our savior, or did I miss something? I know he has offered holographic vehicles for fellow warriors, but that's not the same as claiming to be anyone's savior.

that we are his pupils

If you read carefully through the 'sun has stopped' thread, you'll notice that I objected to some of his statements, and he accepted my corrections. In other words, he's also willing to be our pupil if what we say makes sense. Unfortunately for you, you do not always make sense, especially in areas where your knowledge and experience are limited.

that he can cure AIDS

He can't, a certain cure can. And that cure was found by someone else, not by him. He just claimed to have a lot of information about it on his desk. I also have some books and papers like that. No big deal.

and talkes confused crap for weeks at a time

Confused to you perhaps, but not to me. Certainly I don't understand all he says (regarding Sirius-B etc.), but I'm not impatient.

Its obvious from the guys behavior that hes playing games ,

He's somewhat of a prankster, and definitely a good critic, but not a malevolent one. He's certainly not biased, otherwise why would he disagree so strongly with Enivid?

What did he do ? He kept talking more and more wierd shit , and every time he was encouraged it got more bizar .

You can't blame me for that. By continuously challenging him, you and others have encouraged him just as much.

Before anyone says i`m against the guy then they should know that one of the threads where he was talking confused sickness was locked .

I was not informed about this. Which topic was locked, by whom and for what reason?

I dont . I think it was an administrator trying to stear the forum into his own personal esoteric direction ,

If someone opens a thread in the General Psychonautics thread with the title "the sun has stopped", the content of that topic is obviously going to explore what you consider esoteric subjects. I didn't stear it in any direction, I just participated, going with the flow.

This is the 4th thread in the last few months where he has showed over proportional reactions to me . Have any of the other administrators abused their positions ? No . Do they cause trouble ? No . Do they preach ? No . Do they take sides ? No . Do they try to play mesiah , doctor , therapist therby abusing confused people ? No .

In what way have I abused my position?
In what way did I cause trouble?
What's the difference between expressing opinions and preaching?
In what way have I taken sides (with whom and against whom)?
In what ways did I play messiah or doctor?
If I have a messiah complex, then why do I stress again and again (in the 'sun' thread too) that ending the war on drugs and ushering in the 'new age' are going to be group efforts?
If I want to play doctor, why do I stress again and again that alternative methods are no replacement for medical treatment or diagnosis?
Why should I not share what I know about orthomolecular therapy if I've got a diploma and many years of practical experience?

 

[Forkbender]

I did not pay enough attention to the discussion to see if there is really bias in this case. So I cannot judge this well. I do think that we need to distinguish between a member voicing his opinion and the administrative function this member carries. I don't talk as moderator (god forbid) all the time, & neither do you or any other admin/mod. If you have proof otherwise, please let us know. If you have personal issues with someone or you suspect someone else has personal issues with you, either talk it out on the forum or through PM.

{e} this is my opinion.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I did not pay enough attention to the discussion to see if there is really bias in this case.

Very often when people accuse others of something, it's actually something they are themselves. In psychology this is called projection. GOD says I'm biased, but he hasn't provided any proof. But right in this thread (pee & peyote) there's a great example of GOD's bias, which manifests itself in numerous other threads:

"source: gnosticmedia forum"

It would be better if you offered verifyable facts and not idiotic crap and lies like that from esoteric fundamentalists .

I think that's a classical example of having a bias. Even more so because the text wasn't even written by Jan Irvin or Andrew Rutajit, but by an old friend of mine named Dreamspore, a practitioner of the Peyote Way Church, Aravaipa wilderness, Arizona US.

Sounds to me this person wouldn't be expected to expound "idiotic crap" about mescaline. And in fact the text did contain verifyable facts, and sources. So if GOD's tirade there doesn't show a bias, I don't know what does.

This doesn't prove that I'm not biased however. Perhaps we're both biased, it's just that I can't perceive mine. So if anyone would like to hold up a mirror to me, go right ahead.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I can do that 8)

mmm...

Cactus are succulant.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Now I'm gonna get it! :lol:

 

[Forkbender]

"source: gnosticmedia forum"

It would be better if you offered verifyable facts and not idiotic crap and lies like that from esoteric fundamentalists .

I think that's a classical example of having a bias. Even more so because the text wasn't even written by Jan Irvin or Andrew Rutajit, but by an old friend of mine named Dreamspore, a practitioner of the Peyote Way Church, Aravaipa wilderness, Arizona US.

Sounds to me this person wouldn't be expected to expound "idiotic crap" about mescaline. And in fact the text did contain verifyable facts, and sources. So if GOD's tirade there doesn't show a bias, I don't know what does.

I can see both your points. And you both have a point. Dreamspore does seem to show verifiable data and research as one of his sources (the peyote book). However, the way he talks about it isn't really scientific/objective. The part about psilocybin for example seems to be based solely on personal experience and an interpretation of ancient texts, which is not really helpful in getting facts. It is a poetic way of talking, which is by nature indirect and multi-interpretable.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

"source: gnosticmedia forum"

It would be better if you offered verifyable facts and not idiotic crap and lies like that from esoteric fundamentalists .

And carnival tricks like writing things in red or underlining them doesnt make them facts . It makes you look stupid .

:?

 

[Synith]

I've heard of it. I'll never to it though. My piss longs to be flushed, not ingested. It's just gross.