New experiences, aliens/demons

[Rymmen]

Might it not be a better way to try to ask the demons what they want from you or what aspect of you they represent? Make them harmless by unveiling their motives. To me, destroying them sounds a bit like giving in to your fears, burrying them under another layer and making you therefore less aware, which would explain the barrier between consciousness and mood and you feeling drained. It would also explain the big demon asking you to face the unknown.

I'll give it a shot by next time... I'm about to meditate a bit, I might break through to the other side.

It could of course also be positive, you can be the only judge of that. But the impression I have is the above. What are your thoughts on this?

I no longer want to destroy them. I initially did so just because I could, but in retrospect, I rather respect them if they have the chance of being aware and I have no need to destroy them.

Also, I wonder if what the beings would say if I were to ask them if they were an aspect of myself?

 

[Rymmen]

Very intresting stuff you got here Rymmen,
may i ask on what kind of substances you've experienced these trips or where it astral/lucid experiences?

Three times with low dose DXM, once with meditation aided by weed, though I haven't tried breaking through to them through lucid dreaming and have never had a non-substance aided astral projection (though I've been working on it). I can feel them when I meditate, though... as in, I'm halfway through to that other plane, but not quite visually.

I got to agree with Buffachino, mostly the demons you encounter are parts of the self/bad habbits/fears whatever you call it.
I've read somewhere in shamanic books that the purpose of encountering demons is to show them the light, since they are a part of you that
represent yours fear and other badexpresions ect.
its your task to free them from that and overcome your own fears this can be in the normal world or the astral world since they are related to eachother. After you relieved them from the ignorance,darkness and fear they can become you're friends who can give usefull information.

Buffa and I were talking about it, actually... I'm going to establish some sort of communication with them to try and figure all this out.

I also highly suggest that you search for you poweranimal that will guide you in those realms.
Or check out the book "The way of the Shaman" by Michael Harner.

Power animal? How could I search for it?

I have three books stacked up right now, and am only finishing one a week... I'll see how it goes.

 

[Rymmen]

We all have that sometimes, especially by the end of winter.

I don't know, I've been feeling a lot better lately. Freer, somehow...

 

[MindAstronaut]

Power animal? How could I search for it?

I have three books stacked up right now, and am only finishing one a week... I'll see how it goes.

There are some ways to get in contact with your poweranimal.
It can be done by fasting in the nature, dreams, dancing,
and by drum and meditation.
Best is just to look some info on it if your intrested, becouse some of them are quite detailed.

I know there are soo many intresting books outthere it sometimes can be quite a dilemma :wink:

And all the good luck with your inner journeys.

 

[????????]

Power animals? this reminds me of expectro patronus

Rymmen, when you feel you're "breaking through to the other side" do you reckon is a bit extreme? I mean the transition part. I have experienced, after being by myself trying to go beyond normal wakefullness, very intense feelings, like feeling my body distorted and/or moving. I once felt as if I went straight down through my bed. This was too much and I chickened out and returned to being awake

I guess you'll say I need practise but I'd like to hear your opinion...

 

[Rymmen]

Power animals? this reminds me of expectro patronus

Rymmen, when you feel you're "breaking through to the other side" do you reckon is a bit extreme? I mean the transition part. I have experienced, after being by myself trying to go beyond normal wakefullness, very intense feelings, like feeling my body distorted and/or moving. I once felt as if I went straight down through my bed. This was too much and I chickened out and returned to being awake

I guess you'll say I need practise but I'd like to hear your opinion...

You must tame your fear; face it. I would have gone full-force through the dark portal, if I could go again... I doubt I'll ever encounter it again.

But yeah, I know those feelings... when I'm on my bed, that's pretty much what happens to me, especially the going through the bed part. It feels like my awareness is sinking through my body and bed, falling out or jumping out of my body.

 

[????????]

pretty crazy

I'll try to go right trough that effing portal next time 8)

 

[tryptonaut]

Rymmen, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but I have been facing and fighting demons as well (on shrooms). I really don't (or didn't?) believe in spirits, but sometimes on a trip I just couldn't believe otherways anymore. I knew that a dark force was attacking me, trying to put me down - and as soon as I realized it, I got up and started fighting back. I never actually killed anything, I just showed them that I was aware and strong, willing to fight them, then they backed down and left me alone.
When I'm sober I am trying to explain it all psychologically, but it happened to me quite a few times and it felt so real that I really don't know what to believe anymore. I try to accept it as it is - that is I am in the spirit world when I am tripping, and whatever I see and feel is true (whatever that means). Whenever I showed the spirits that I am aware and strong and willing to fight, then the trip became very good and made me feel well for weeks. I believe in what helps, so...

 

[buffachino]

Every experience is in essence true.
Only the interpretation of experience is illusory.

 

[Rymmen]

Rymmen, I'm not sure if we're talking about the same thing, but I have been facing and fighting demons as well (on shrooms). I really don't (or didn't?) believe in spirits, but sometimes on a trip I just couldn't believe otherways anymore. I knew that a dark force was attacking me, trying to put me down - and as soon as I realized it, I got up and started fighting back. I never actually killed anything, I just showed them that I was aware and strong, willing to fight them, then they backed down and left me alone.
When I'm sober I am trying to explain it all psychologically, but it happened to me quite a few times and it felt so real that I really don't know what to believe anymore. I try to accept it as it is - that is I am in the spirit world when I am tripping, and whatever I see and feel is true (whatever that means). Whenever I showed the spirits that I am aware and strong and willing to fight, then the trip became very good and made me feel well for weeks. I believe in what helps, so...

I know exactly what you mean. I was skeptical at first, but now I don't know what to believe, and I might as well act as if it's real just in case, y'know, it is.

Also, I had a lucid dream. I don't know if they're the same plane or not, and I'm guessing not, myself, but I was able to create a dark portal and go through it. I went to a rather weird world filled with volcanoes, dancers and singers... it felt hellish. Anyway, I created a new Earth at the end of the portal and went to that, then was too exhausted to will anything in the dream.

 

[Rymmen]

Every experience is in essence true.
Only the interpretation of experience is illusory.

I wonder if there's a way to bypass interpretation in brining perception to awareness.

 

[zarlack_galactic_explorer]

i can see from many different point of views a general truth, buffachino ur correct to say " Only the interpretation of experience is illusory". i think this subject needs/deserves much attention than in general discussion because i
myself have experienced many things (involving demonic forces or what i perceive as dark energy). almost mostly without psychedelics or the repurcussion of any psychoactive chemical.

I personally believe there are forces, energy, spirits at work, good and bad. Like some protecting and harming; probably down to core karma. of course their is the ultimate "force" that binds the whole universe together and us in it, and this same force must be balanced. Maybe if we then have spiritual or mental imbalances of ourselves, this reflects in forms of demons or evil spirits naturally. To know if demons exist for real or that experience is something you have created yourself is the question. I would say we have and make our own demons (fear, false images, attachments not needs) but i would also say that the true reality is most probably the existance of these entities on a different plane but coexist in our reality. yes they are real but for us to be aware of them we have to be revealed and establish a deep inner understanding.

what to make of it all, sometimes i can say i have had those demonic voices and they are so obscure and they try to develop onto who you are, to influence you with evil; maybe that is a culmination of our past experiences projecting to the present self but i believe their is more that meets the spiritual eye. i can say yes i believe that there is demons and i do honestly think there is a seytaan (satan/serpent) who is the master of all demonical powers. yet i cannot say i have any proof. these realities exist in an unperceivable manner for modern scientists and professors to describe in there text books because they reach out of the ordinary thinkers mind.

To access such knowledge is to abandon the presumption of knowing anything at all. you will be surprised.

If i tell you some real stories you will probably never believe them, things i have experienced myself, you will dismiss as impossible or otherwise delusional perception. but i have reason to the contrary.

Anyway to cut it short, Rhymmen, i have felt in past times as there is "no reason to continue living" probably because of allowing these negative energies/entities to attack me by my lowly state and enforcing so much negative in me i was imbalanced and suffered in all wise and emotionally confused as to the good things in life. It does all boil down to awareness, pure being awareness, every experience should be treated with good intent and though and realized that it is a part of a myriad of joined experiences, extending theirself to greater heights but all correlating to eachother in some way large or small. learn from everything. also the mind evolves, and in that process could be heart breaking procedures necessary for your inner development. its like when you do the splits, you will suffer before you have the full ability. everyone is different anyway, i cant say i have the answers, only the experiences, and yes demons exist in one form or another, wether in real spiritual form or energy or in the mind, created by falseful desires and their infliction of pain on the soul/mind. were dabbling with the unknown, except in the near future great things will be revealed and widely accepted.. i believe