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MDMA+ Meth?

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Anyone who does MDMA these days knows pills are notoriously impure - Ones that do actually contain MDMA often unfortunately contain meth also. Out of curiousity I'm wondering how meth and MDMA interact when taken together - Does it take away from the roll at all? Almost every other substance save LSD and mushrooms detract from the MDMA roll, so I was wondering if meth does as well
 
I don't understand, when a chemist has already made a pill pressed with MDMA, why would he then proceed to corrupt it with meth? It would make sense if the pills only had meth in them and no MDXX, but if you've already got product that's the real deal why not leave it the hell alone?

Spice - could you elaborate on any specifics of how the two interact when taken together? thanks!
 
Meth production is more kitchen chemistry than production of MDMA.
They make pills with little MDMA and some meth and deliver a "good" product.

But I wonder, why is meth more expensive than MDMA? I guess it's just the addictive properties and not production costs?
 
I order to give you a REAL answer, the mechanics of the underground ecstasy marketing conditions must be examined;

Most people pressing the pills didn't make them, to put it simply, and the person pressing the pills HAS THE FINAL SAY about whats actually in them. Pure MDMA
cannot be pressed, it simply won't hold together.

BUT...sometimes the chemist IS pressing the pills, and meth still ends up in there.....why?

Money.

Pure MDMA, the real thing, isn't as speedy as people think...many people have not CONSISTENTLY done real MDMA over a period of time, or this would be common knowledge.

It used to amaze me when people would ask me, 'Man, what DID you give me'?

me: the real thing....what a trip, huh?

But I'm going to tell you whats REALLY A TRIP....most people who use it casually would rather have speed in there.....people,genrerally are stupid in this area, is what I have concluded. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but its true.

You'll notice I said 'people who use it casually'.....because these people are superficial, usually, trying to get fucked up, and the magic of real MDMA is WASTED on them.....THIS IS WHY so many pills are adulterated with all kinds of shit, from caffeine to meth and everything in between.

People tend to not have very good understanding of MDMA, and I can somewhat understand this, but Jesus, if you didn't want to experience what it has to offer, why'd you go looking for it?

It used to STUPIFY ME to watch people start drinking alcohol while rolling, or snorting meth INTENTIONALY...these dimwits had no business being in the same room with me...and mdma tends to work as a truth serum of sorts with me, and I would frequently speak my mind on this subject.

People are generally not on that high of a level, mentally, concerning this subject, which is why there is so much exploitation and bullshit involved.

I NEVER,EVER cut my stuff.......but everyone who got hold of it did, usually with speed.

I woke up......the truth is, and I will sound like a dickhead saying this;


Most people aren't worthy of MDMA because they don't want what it has to offer.



As to how they interact:


The meth overpowers the mdma, to be direct.......shifting the effects toward the physical end of the spectrum, enhancing the stimulant effedts, and depressing the other, more subtle, more valuable effects.

Pills with speed cut in them develop a rep as 'more potent' or 'speedier', and the meth does interact with the mdma and may even make certain aspects of mdma more intense.....I think meth sucks, I hate it, and I'd laugh in someones face if they suggested that I take it in that context.



So, the answeer is the usual suspects.....greed and ignorance.
 
I believe MDMA in combination with any stimulant (even cafeine) is wasting the E experience. With cafeine you feel more tense and a bit less empathic.

With amphetamine and coke it gets totally blunt, with meth or crack it's just asking for cardiovascular problems and a burnt out mind after with no lovely experience either.

Also any psychedelic + any stimulant is a waste. I have never come across a stimulant that does not block the path to my inner life. Even nicotine makes me slighty more on myself.
 
spice a dit:
I order to give you a REAL answer, the mechanics of the underground ecstasy marketing conditions must be examined;

BUT...sometimes the chemist IS pressing the pills, and meth still ends up in there.....why?

Money.

Pure MDMA, the real thing, isn't as speedy as people think...many people have not CONSISTENTLY done real MDMA over a period of time, or this would be common knowledge.

But I'm going to tell you whats REALLY A TRIP....most people who use it casually would rather have speed in there.....people,genrerally are stupid in this area, is what I have concluded. I know it sounds a bit harsh, but its true.

I NEVER,EVER cut my stuff.......but everyone who got hold of it did, usually with speed.

I woke up......the truth is, and I will sound like a dickhead saying this;


Most people aren't worthy of MDMA because they don't want what it has to offer.

This is why marquis, mandelin, and mecke reagent tests are a must.

If the pill doesn't show stellar on all three, don't buy it.
 
Marquis wont tell you if theres meth cut in a pill...as long as there is a small amount of md whatever, it will lie to you too.
 
Really? I thought that's what the marquis was for, to detect any presence of speed, and mecke for the presence of MDXX?
 
spice a dit:
Pure MDMA
cannot be pressed, it simply won't hold together.

Does this means that no XTC pills is pure MDMA ? :shock:

Man, I'm glad to have never touched a single one... Didn't suspected they were *that* bad...
 
Tiax a dit:
spice a dit:
Pure MDMA
cannot be pressed, it simply won't hold together.

Does this means that no XTC pills is pure MDMA ? :shock:

Man, I'm glad to have never touched a single one... Didn't suspected they were *that* bad...

XTC pills are ALWAYS mixed with something else by my knowing. that's why i don't do it either. and anyway, mdma crystals are much more fun ;)
 
Nope. All Marquis reagent does is detect the prescence of the 'methylenedioxy bridge', the portion of the molecule that makes x different from meth....other than this methylenedioxy bridge, the molecules are IDENTICAL IN EVERY ASPECT, down to the last carbon atom....there is no way it CAN differentiate.

Marquis reagent is a weak, watery solution of formaldehyde and sulfuric acid, and what it does is attack this bridge, which is what makes the purplish black color which is characteristic of mda/mdma.
 
Tiax a dit:
spice a dit:
Pure MDMA
cannot be pressed, it simply won't hold together.

Does this means that no XTC pills is pure MDMA ? :shock:

Man, I'm glad to have never touched a single one... Didn't suspected they were *that* bad...

A pill can still contain solely MDMA - it just has to be pressed with an inactive filler.
 
What? There are honest cops!

I think. . . There was this one cop. . . wait, no. . . nevermind

Ok, I concede. exstacy pills are never pure, EVER. :wink:
 
No sir, I think you must have read that somewhere. . . as a child maybe. . . the book of virtues perhaps? :wink:
 
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