I'm alive, I'm dead, the torture of being no one

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Brugmansia, thanks for sharing.

Doug, 50 grams of dried shrooms? Man, you sound like someone a while back bragging about his habit of eating 5 grams of hash, and challenging others to do the same.

5 grams of mushrooms is more than enough for most people. OK, some like 8 or 10 better, but keep it sane. If you want others to try 50 grams, guide them personally, don't encourage anyone and everyone on a public forum. What are you trying to accomplish?

It's not the size of the dose that matters, it's what you do with it.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Brugmansia, thanks for sharing.

Doug, 50 grams of dried shrooms? Man, you sound like someone a while back bragging about his habit of eating 5 grams of hash, and challenging others to do the same.

5 grams of mushrooms is more than enough for most people. OK, some like 8 or 10 better, but keep it sane. If you want others to try 50 grams, guide them personally, don't encourage anyone and everyone on a public forum. What are you trying to accomplish?

It's not the size of the dose that matters, it's what you do with it.

what do you want me to say? ive kept quiet till now because this is the first account of a trip ive heard. now someone has something to say(Brugmansia) and im interested. its not a brag.
up till now its been "i had some mushrooms and it was awesome"
now someone has had a TRIP. mushrooms will teach you A LOT but only if you go for it.
its hard work.
its not convenience.
this is the PSYCHONAUT forum not the recreational drug use forum.
or am i wrong?
anyone can take drugs. thats easy.
WHY DO I HAVE TO EXPLAIN THIS?
every one on this forum should already be prepared for this.
if you are not, dont take part.
youll only hurt yourself!

if you arent ready, start off with ritual magick(Crowley for eg.)
then try something like chaos magicK(Robert Carrol for eg.)
then, if you can deal with it try the drugs.
BUT DONT EXPECT IT TO BE EASY!!
get a dictionary and look up psychonaut.


ps. ive eaten a lot more than 5g hash
ive eaten 8g oil. ive eaten 7g power plant. ive eaten 7g manali charas. ive eaten 7g skunk. blah, etc etc.
im not sugesting anyone does the same.
its not a competition.
its also not Mcdonalds.

its PSYCHONAUT

 

[Ultima]

oh man! if this was a McDonalds, id like a happy meal please! but douglas, i beleive that almost any sain person would need what.. a year to prepare for a trip like one you are talking about.. when i took 4G of mush i had a great time.. but i didnt know if i would be able to/or want to, go any further down the rabbit hole. theres a lot of people who are just getting into phycadellics who browse these forums and may see "guy takes 100-500G of dried mush!" so you may get an id that decideds to "giver a shot"! hence the government would have another example of why drugs are bad.. and probibly making mushrooms have an even worse concequence of getting busted with. because even when i was on 2G, i didnt want to be in public because i know i would look like im tripping. maybe im just too parinoid when it comes to getting busted.. but i am 21 years old and the cops dont even know my face! even after dealing

EDIT: also, you say you cant learn anything from a low dose of mushrooms.. that is complete BS. 4G is definatly enough to have a personal experience, I have learned alot about myself from trips around this same dose. like you said, its the place and setting. if you just want to get fucked up and have a good time, not willing to learn, you wont anything. although im guessing at high doses, you wont have a choice..

 

[lol*fan]

Hi druglessdouglas,

Sounds like you have a high tolerance to mushrooms. It also sounds like you have never read any significant trip reports from people that took 3 - 10 g dried mushrooms.

Also, please realize that everybody's path in life is different. It seems to me that what you are saying is addressed to your former, unexperienced self more than to others.

Also, a word to HeartCore, and others that I've seen saying things like this:
"and realize that smartshop doses have nothing to do with mushroom tripping"

Please reconsider or rephrase. For me 30 g of fresh Mexicans can take me really far. When I first started using mushrooms it didn't take me beyond ego death, but it did teach me a lot of lessons. Nowadays, this same dose takes me to a place where my ego's gone (the process of getting there is painful, but gets shorter every time), the universe has collapsed and there's nothing but me/us the creator. I understand from the book The Psychedelic Experience, a manual based on the Tibetan Book of the Dead by Timothy Leary and others that this is one of the highest levels to be reached, although I might misunderstand.

My point is: the effects of a dose vary greatly among people. I would argue this has to do with the level of consciousness one has when one is sober. In my case my awareness level when sober has increased considerably since I first used mushrooms.

ps Brugmansia, great report, thanks for sharing!

 

[Ultima]

"The effects of any drug (including hallucinogens) vary from person to person. How hallucinogens affect a person depends on many factors, including the person's size, weight and health, how much and how the drug is taken, whether the person is used to taking it and whether other drugs are taken."

 

[druglessdouglas]

thanks Brugmansia. i realy enjoyed reading you account. i didnt mean to hijack your thread. you just got my interest.

what i liked best about your story was you didnt say "it was a bad trip"
you just described the subjective experience.

 

[Ultima]

are you kidding me?

 

[Brugmansia]

Usually, even a very micro movement or act of myself can be linked with who I am.

And this what became temporarly nothing, completely neutral and zero during the peak of the trip. Only my most primitive consciousness existed. But not a single dot of knowledge added to it yet or the possibility to analyse my own state of being. The movements I made weren't a result of my own decided motor control.

I forgot to add that this trip has altered and changed me in a way which I can't explain.

There was a sort of a connection with reincarnation. I just know too less to believe in something from now on.

 

[buffachino]

It depends more upon the mind, upon the self, than it does upon the dose I think.

 

[druglessdouglas]

Usually, even a very micro movement or act of myself can be linked with who I am.

And this what became temporarly nothing, completely neutral and zero during the peak of the trip. Only my most primitive consciousness existed. But not a single dot of knowledge added to it yet or the possibility to analyse my own state of being. The movements I made weren't a result of my own decided motor control.

I forgot to add that this trip has altered and changed me in a way which I can't explain.

There was a sort of a connection with reincarnation. I just know too less to believe in something from now on.

you have just defined ego death. and its VERY hard to define.

this is where books like The Tibetan Book Of The Dead become relevant.

an experience like that changes you. its very humbling when all the bull is striped away.

will/ would you do it again?

 

[BlimeyGrimey]

no i meant 50g not 500g. ive done 100g and i normaly do 50+g. what do you want me to say? your not doing enough? your doing recreational doses?

You must have some WEAK mushrooms to be taking 50-100g. Plus at those levels you would most likely have intense gastro-intestinal distress. Eating large amounts of ANY mushroom will cause things like the explosive shits and probably a little vomiting.

Also, abusing mushrooms isn't the wisest thing to do. They can cause very intense psychological distress if used improperly. Most people can reach level 5 simply by ingesting 7-14 grams. A 50g trip would be a waste of mushrooms.

Either way I call bullshit!

 

[druglessdouglas]

what are you so scared off? where did you read that? there was nothing week about them. im insulted! i may not be a trained mycologist but i am a trained biologist and botanist with field experience. my i IQ is in the top 10. stop insulting me. explosive shits? what? is that what mushrooms do to you? you must be allergic. id lay off them if i was you. if you cant handle the effects they are not for you. they may make me fart a bit, and yawn but they have never given me the shits.
i was brought up with mushrooms. theyre part of the culture here. they were one of the first things i tried.get back up your ivory tower. there are school children taking 50g doses here in the season(ok so a lot of them get sectioned) but my point is this.
just because the thought frightens you, dont project your fears onto someone else.
its the fear that does the damage, not the mushrooms.
ill ask it again- what will you learn taking recreational doses?
ill answer myself- nothing of any value.
get out of the fish bowl and into the ocean.

level five! youll never experience level five.

 

[BrainEater]

hmm druglessdouglas do you have leased the wisdom for yourself??

also i think it differs a lot on the type of mushrooms you eat.
it differs for every person as well...

i don't know whether it's good to drive people to take heroic doses... recreational use can be very amazing, too... and you can learn a lot too from these experiences... it might be that you don't experience the experiences that intense, because of a lower dose, but still...


each one should be able to find his own speed of exploring the world of psychadelics (or the psychadelic world?)... anyway such a great dose of dried shrooms of mexicans or somethin like you ate druglessdouglass would be kind of crazy... i guess now i'd have too much respect for the mushrooms to risk a real bad mushroom experience which i could have, because i don't know what would or could happen...

peace :weedman:

 

[Forkbender]

because i don't know what would or could happen...

But isn't that precisely the point of it? If you stay within your comfort-zone, how can you learn? How can you know that what you learn is not just a projection of your 'ego'?

 

[druglessdouglas]

im not driving anyone. i object to being called a bullshiter by someone who is obviously here to plug a product.
im asking this- what are you all scared off?
your mixing MAOI's and shrooms to get a bigger hit. lemon juice!
but you wont consider that the way to get a bigger hit is to take more mushrooms(!!??!)
is it because you know it WILL work?
forget lemon juice, stop mixing MAOIs andhave the bottle to do it right.
or admit to yourself your just doing it for a giggle.
the number of times people have started out by explaining that they are serious psychonauts, and not recreational users.....
its just fooling yourself
stop fooling yourself.
if you dont want to do it, then dont. but dont tell me something you have no personal experience of.

my alter ego underbridge(awe, come on) has already manipulated some of you into saying "you have to eat your own body weight in mushrooms to poison you"
now, which is it?

 

[lol*fan]

/me thinks druglessdouglas is GOD 2.0 beta

 

[underbridge]

its true, someone told me that. its awesome!

 

[druglessdouglas]

so im telling you my experience. it information.
do with it what you will.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=rSWJpZXeGvs
god has a point!!

 

[BrainEater]

because i don't know what would or could happen...

But isn't that precisely the point of it? If you stay within your comfort-zone, how can you learn? How can you know that what you learn is not just a projection of your 'ego'?

i don't know. that's what i want to learn. but it isn't that easy.... or is it??
i am a bit afraid of the "drug", because i have respect for it.. or i have respect for the effects of the drug.

also i don't know myself so well. i know myself quite well, but still i have the impression that i don't know that something which would be probably called ego of myself enough to go really deep into the shroomworld or the lsd-world.

that's why i think i am not ready for a heroic dose, but i mean sometimes a jump in the cold water can be a very good experience indeed.

before i will ingest stuff like lsd or shrooms i will first stick to weed for some time, meditate and try to get a clearer view of "myself".

it's not like i am afraid because i don't know what will happen.... it's more that i am afraid because i know that i don't know what will happen......
ok if i am honest i'd rather say it's because i feel that i am not ready and therefore know that i don't know what will happen.

besides i am sure it might be beneficial sometimes to jump in the cold water and take a heroic dose and therefore face yourself and your fears.


peace to all heros and all other psychonauts!!! :weedman:

 

[Forkbender]

also i don't know myself so well. i know myself quite well, but still i have the impression that i don't know that something which would be probably called ego of myself enough to go really deep into the shroomworld or the lsd-world.

I think that is not it. I recognize this, but see at as false now (see below). You know your ego perfectly well, you just pretend it isn't there. And because of that, you won't take a higher dose, because you don't want to loose this illusion that you made up yourself.

I once took (what I then considered) a high dose of LSD to find out if there was something inside me that I did not know of. Something that was causing me to be who I am, with all the trauma's and all the bad habits. After half an hour into the trip I noticed that there was nothing to be scared of, because what I was looking for did not exist. I just let go of the idea, the fear that there was something burried deep inside me that needed to be uncovered and it turned out there was nothing there after all.