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Brugmansia

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Tonight I had one of my very few impulsive intakes.

I have always said, and still do, that shrooms are the most hardest substances to handle for the human brain apart from most likely datura and other deliriants.

After tonight, I realised that the fresh portions sold in smartshops are just treshold dosages compared to how far you can go with your own growboxes.

Early in the evening, I called my friends what they'd be doing after football. They already sounded pretty much drunk so after the match about 23:30 I decided to ingest 10 grams of dried mexicans. I still had a lot of energy and rest so despite the expected tough path, I thought it'd be managable.

I chewed them and the bitter taste reminded me of the autum in the woods. I cleaned my room, showered, filled 2 cans of water and took some juice which I put on the table in my room.

About 45 minutes later I already experienced strong flows of confusion in my thought patterns. Closed my eyes and contracted and noticed how I got pulled into the visuals.

I lied down in the dark on my back, closed my eyes and immediately got wraped up in a dark area which reminded me of the start of my DMT trip. Suddenly, the whole awareness of being in my body got a drastic change. I had to carry a stone around my soul, every part weighted excessively heavy.

I got up for drinking a bit of water and from here on it turned into a path with no control, no plan, no destination. And the possibility to build up thoughts to accomplish simple chores such as taking the glass in front of me and drinking water was gone.

I had lost my physical strength, and my mind to move properly in the way I wanted to. But after all, I didn't even know what I wanted at that point. I couldn't detect any impulse clearly to act on it.

I felt paralyzed in a dark area and the dry throat I had, activated a terrible scene in my mind. Unwanted, I visualized a desert and while I was exhausted, the sun burned on my naked skin while I tried with all might to keep breathing. Then I opened my eyes and suddenly realised that this was not real.

I got up with a rush of fear, turned on the light and couldn't say or my own company in my room was a dream or not. I shouted my own surname and was amazed about it. At that point, I recognized an element which every of my family members is characterized with. My surname referes to it.

Shortly after, I also realized that it was just bullshit, I don't have a name. No one has. It is merely a noise wave to distinguish each other. But we are not that name. I always assumed that before this trip. Now I can 'feel' it I'm just I or nothing. Nothing as in terms of undefinable. Nothing as in terms of only having a consciousness and nothing else that can be interpretated as completely real.

After this, I realised I HAD to drink to keep the trip bearable. I couldn't come up with a tactic to reach my arm to the glass and drink out of it. I was waiting for the moment that my body would 'stand up' to do it itself.

After some time it just happened and the happening of drinking water was pretty much unreal. I noticed I HAD to make a choice, every object in my room could trigger a sort of sleepwalking state.

The main stream of the trip consisted of dreaming while awake and staring in front of me and trying to get a grip on the the extreme vulnerable state I experienced. I just let it came over me and be submissive, I accepted the insanity and my punishment and if it'd come, death.

I have 'slept' about for an hour during the trip. This was pretty interesting phase too, occasionally I switched positions. Somehow these acts were fairly well noticed by my mind but I didn't really did it myself. It were just movements I had no control over. Suddenly I lied sideways and then felt that the bloodstream in my veins got more space. I was fascinated by this taken action without my 'permission'.

I only had visuals the first 2 hours, from there on my sight was pretty much normal and with closed eyes just dark.

I felt my heartbeats and wondered how it keeps going while I don't have to think about it myself. This also goes for inhaling oxygen.

This trip taught me that wanting to have have control over something, doesn't matter what, is tied with contraction and mental energy use.

Once I had given EVERYTHING out of hands, there remained something very small of I, neutral, not placed yet, and an I that couldn't be characterized or classified. Feeling that vulnerable was something that drove me insane, I wished I'd have never have known life on earth at that point.

Sometimes I made and endless fall to nowhere, and then shaked my whole body and cheeks to stop it.

It's been 18 hours since the ingestion, and still feel a bit 'light'. I had been drinking pretty much water and juice, which wasn't much during the trip I thought. I even pissed a bit over the floor in my room. :?

The trip wasn't very pleasant, it eated from my mental energy, but I'm glad it happened. In the beginning I kept trying to define or I was awake or sleepwalking, but there was nothing I should, and could be in control over. Being submissive was actually the only way not to get slaughtered.

When I woke up there was this feeling of rest and serenity. I'm sure it's gonna play a roll in everything I do the forthcoming time.

Excuse my grammar and spelling. I may have written some phrases wrong with a fault sentence construction.


Special thanks you user_19, bot32 and Heartcore for their support, heh, some of your words have been a bridge to stand on during my trip. :heart:
 
a big dose of mushrooms is more like being possesed than a drug. the mushroom seems to have a consciousness stronger than your own. have you read Liber Null and Psychonaut by Robert Carrol? he describes trips similar to what youve just described.
all the experiences youve described sound quite normal for big doses. if you do it a few times more youll get to like it. a trip is a journey and it sounds like youve had one. the most ive taken is around 100g dried weight. i wouldnt repeat that in a hurry but in the right setting- in the country where you can wander about a bit- it can be a real soul revealing (psyche adelia) experience.
youll need a week to recover from that but dont be put off :yawinkle:
 
Thanks for sharing Brugmansia. Keep us posted :wink:

druglessdouglas a dit:
100g dried weight.

:shock: :shock:

That's another level.
 
i normally stick to 50g
as god said people are taking some serious underdoses
[edit] i meant 50g! but id give 500g a go if i thought i could keep it down
 
What is it like?
 
Thanks for sharing, very interesting :)
 
whats it like?
thats a hard one. the sort of thing Brugmansia described isnt unknown. i liked his description of finding himself in a desert. ive been there ore places like it. your asking me to describe the indescribable. im going to have to think about it for a while and come back when ive got the words. one comes to mind. chaos.
ill come back to this shortly
[edit] i think your going to have to try it. itll simplify/ modify your answer for the ego death thread
 
Thanks for sharing your experience. I have had experiences like you described, at lower doses around 5 grams, where you just get shaken up from the experience, but in the end it was an overall positive, enlightening experience. Like Terence Mckenna once said, "You learn more from the bad trip, than the good trip". I believe this to be true from my own experience. The good trips are euphoric and when you look back on them you get an uplift in your mood, no matter what state you are in. But with experiences such as this one, you actually learn something about yourself if you can intergrate it and figure out what the mushrooms are trying to tell you. My first highdose experience was like this, and I just HAD to let go, and flow with whatever came my way, ever since, I have been able to just 'let-go' and flow with the mushrooms.

PEACE & LOVE
 
a big dose of mushrooms is more like being possesed than a drug. the mushroom seems to have a consciousness stronger than your own.

It’s not the mushrooms consciousness per se; it is ones own perceptual delineation. The ‘ego’.

That which is system; our predispositions, our criterion. It was this that was the message I think; your heart beat, your breath. Each element of your being striped away and shown for what it was; the spoken names of self. Syntax of the soul.

Nice experience report!
I think you could go deeper; these seem to me, at least indirectly regarding your account, to have been rather weak mushrooms; considering you took 10 grams. Maybe it's just me.
 
druglessdouglas a dit:
whats it like?
thats a hard one. the sort of thing Brugmansia described isnt unknown. i liked his description of finding himself in a desert. ive been there ore places like it. your asking me to describe the indescribable. im going to have to think about it for a while and come back when ive got the words. one comes to mind. chaos.
ill come back to this shortly
[edit] i think your going to have to try it. itll simplify/ modify your answer for the ego death thread

I do have similar experiences on high doses of mushrooms/lsd, but what changes if you go from 10 grams to 100 grams? Is it just a matter of intensity or are there other things? How is the comedown (is there any?)? I don't really care about the 'content' of the trip as this is personal and inexpressible, but more info on the practical side is welcome.
 
I believe he was talking about doses of 10 grams instead of 100, and doses of 50 grams instead of 500 grams. I PMed him to talk about those doses, and he meant to say 10 and 50 grams, not 100 and 500 grams

PEACE & LOVE
 
no i meant 50g not 500g. ive done 100g and i normaly do 50+g. what do you want me to say? your not doing enough? your doing recreational doses?
look up psychonayt in the dictionary..

whats the point in doing 5-10g?
what are you learning?
ill tell you. nothing!

to learn you first have to pay your teacher.
stop fucking about!

"if in doubt, double the dose!!"

are you psychonauts or not?
 
wait. are we talking fresh or dried? I'm confused now.
 
user_1919 a dit:
I believe he was talking about doses of 10 grams instead of 100, and doses of 50 grams instead of 500 grams. I PMed him to talk about those doses, and he meant to say 10 and 50 grams, not 100 and 500 grams

PEACE & LOVE
no i meant 100g, 100g, 100g

1 didnt mean 500g. thats just silly.
i meant 50g.

for me thats recreational. whats wrong with you?
take:


100g !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

stop fucking wasting your time!!!!!!!
 
druglessdouglas a dit:
100g !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!.

stop fucking wasting your time!!!!!!!

So, fresh?
 
Thanks for sharing you story.
 
no! dry!
take a trip! you may as well just smoke a joint of jack herer.
its not suposed to be easy. thats why set and setting is important. why would you need an aly if you were going to disney land?

its the styx your crossing. read the tibetan book of the dead. read the egyptian book of the dead.
its not a trip to tesco's!
 
again: :shock:

I once read about this guy doing 400 grams fresh, but this sounds amazing. I guess I would be interested in doing such a trip sometime, but my maximum dose has been 80 fresh = 8 dried. I've never had difficulty during trips, so I'm confident to up the dose a bit more (first 10-12 grams). I did experience some negative effects after mushroomtrips the last couple of times I did a reasonable dose (5 grams dried++), mainly splitting headaches. Still don't know what caused it. That's why I didn't use mushrooms for a looooong time.

I asked about the specific effects, comeup/comedown, intensity, method of ingestion, etc., because I'm interested in how it might turn out and to figure out what's the best way to prepare. Maybe this requires a separate thread, but I will split this when appropriate.
 
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