I think I've learned to trip in meditation

[FrigginJoe]

I don't actually 'meditate' by any descriptive procedure I had seen, but rather at the right time I can fall into it.
It's very vivid and visual, just as I said, 'fragile'.

I would liken that state of meditation to glancing into a space, whereas taking a psychedilc is making a committment to being put in that space for the extent of the substances pharmacological effect.

I've never achieved a state so solid and secure in the realm of inner/outer observation as psychedlics can offer by meditating. What interests me most is that my state of mind is *similar* when I fall into that 'trip' state of meditation.
I had read reports of those who'd used DMT and Salvia (moreso DMT, salvia's beyond fucking nuts, lol) and thought "holy sh!t, I've been there in those glancing instances when I meditate," and my outlook on psychedlics immediately turned very positive.
The supplement to stay seated in that sttae of mind is what psychedlics offer.
Psychedelics give you the option of studying what you're really part of, and that's what drew me into occasional use.

 

[user_1919]

"I find it interesting, the kind of trance, or meditation mentioned here, I was kind of doing naturally long before I tried psychedelics. Because I used to listen to a lot of minimalist music, with my eyes closed, until I reached that state where your eyelids seem to vanish because the visuals are so clear, and random thoughts seem to interconnect perfectly, time sense vansihes.. the present and near future merge or even flip flop... With eyes open, objects seem to flutter, weave and move, but the thought patters aren't as deep, more distracted.."

It sounds so beautiful the state that you achieve through meditation. The reason I am not very fond on meditation is because I never get something out of it. I've tried for a year straight, and it doesn't seem any different than the first day I tried. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?

 

[st.bot.32]

>What interests me most is that my state of mind is *similar* when I fall into that 'trip' state of meditation.

interesting...

i think that being in a relaxed, meditative state of mind is the way to successfully navigate a trip. so yes, the substance allows you to keep that state of mind with eyes open, and allows you to fall into it with relative ease, but you still have to allow the state of mind to come to you. in this way i think that psychedelics can teach you how to enter relaxed meditative states without using psychedelics.

i used to have a friend who said that the whole point of doing lsd (for him) was to learn how to achieve those states of mind without lsd..
you get to a point where you can enter the realms of lsd on a relatively low dose because you have entered that meditative space without the aid of lsd, and so after taking a mild dose you recognize it is there. sorry if that came across somewhat verbose

then again some people have mushroom/acid trips where they laugh and giggle for hours straight. your mileage may vary!

 

[st.bot.32]

It sounds so beautiful the state that you achieve through meditation. The reason I am not very fond on meditation is because I never get something out of it. I've tried for a year straight, and it doesn't seem any different than the first day I tried. Maybe I'm doing something wrong?[/quote]

I don't know, for me it just came quite easily and I didn't even think of it as meditation when I was doing it.. Just relax, close my eyes, drift, and fall into a certain level of mental activity.. bordering on the hypnagogic I guess. Usually takes me between 15-30 minutes to get there, meaning I can do it at lunch break Also it doesn't always go that deep, and sometimes only for a few seconds.. it may be the same or different than what FrigginJoe is saying but I would describe it the same way, a fragile glance! And damn straight it no doubt played a part in getting me interested in psychedelics as well, after all it is an altered state of consciousness..

I guess also everyone is different.. for a long time I never really got anything out of it other than just relaxation, and maybe new insights into music (which is good for me as a musician), but no PERSONAL insights. Too random.

I will say that it became a much deeper experience AFTER i started doing psychedelics... psychedelics really did open up doors, awareness inside me..

 

[FrigginJoe]

Well to try and get specific on a few things about it.
First I try to literally see things on the back of my eyelids or darkness right before me. Shapes and stuff. It works.
Then I just relax and think of no part of me but my mind and let it go.
Some common occurences are as follows:
Buzzing sound or machinery sounds.
Feeling as if my head or mind is on a rail shooting into some sort of space, complete with an actual sensation of moving rapidly forward.
Impossible images, morphing from one to another at a speed much faster than my mind would normally allow.
An array of tones and colors flushing throughout, seeing through a 'tunnel of sorts, and the feeling (not seeing) of entities all about communicating thoughts and ideas.

I heard Joe Rogan speak of DMT and have known of salvia divinorum long before extracts came about and hearing trip reports of the two really piqued my interest. Terrence McKenna's report on DMT was the most striking of it all, he REALLY landed on a few things that I could associate from my meditation. (and I became a fan of his shortly thereafter)
The idea that DMT could amplify this experience I had, or add to it was too much to not follow up on.

It really impressed me a lot. A hell of a lot, being that a lot of what I've heard of it was exactly what my mind could naturally do, but apparently amplified and more accessible. Psychedlics impressed me a lot in general, even though is started with DMT and Salvia (DMT's closer to that deep meditated state, Salvia's more like an unravelling and wringing of your reality and exposure of it all for better or worse which is awesome for its own reasons)

 

[st.bot.32]

Yeah, now that I think about it, it was the CEV i used to get naturally that got me so interested in trying psychedelics in general.. it was one of the first things i was looking for when i tried LSD for the first time.. and I was in awe..

of course I was already in awe, because time had just stopped (froze) in the room, people froze in their tracks, single particles of motion was going between different senses, like through sight, touch, and hearing.. but that's something else entirely!

 

[tryptonaut]

I think I've learned to trip in meditation

... and I think I have learned to meditate while tripping

I think meditation (which I am not yet good at and which I should be practicing more often) is a very good tool to calm you down and straighten out your mind on a daily basis. Every time I do it for only a few minutes (and I'm not good at it!) it really gives me a lot of power and optimism. I should really do it more often...

I also think you need to be able to do basic meditation on high doses of psychedelics, or you will go crazy. That's why and how I learned to do it, because it suddenly became a necessity on higher doses of shrooms.

I really doubt you can reach the same state of mind through meditation as you can through psychedelics - and if you can, you will probably need decades of meditation practice in a monastery-like environment.

However I do think you can probably reach higher planes on psychedelics if you are very experienced in meditation and do both at once.

 

[FrigginJoe]

I DO reach the same state of mind in meditation.
It's just not as clear and I"m not confined in it well enough so that tiny distractions just knock me right out of it. The similarity, to me, shows psychedelics (or those I've used) are in fact unlocking or making clear what we can't normally focus on in our lives, as opposed to simply being deliriant and intoxicating us. (I'm sure some natural psychedilcs can do both, of course)

 

[gayedohi]

greetings, the answer to your real question is definitely yes. you might try a book by michael harner on shamanism, it gives some good techniques. basically develop your will intent and focus. and CONSISTANT DAILY PRACTISE. have you ever walked through the woods and touched the trees and smelled the pines and earth? it's that real. i have not only been able to visit my power animal but talked to other beings as well in a world as solid as this one

 

[????????]

when i have eyes opened and keep focussing with my eye on somethin or nothin then random stuff disappears or kind of morphs and sometimes everything disappears...

I know what you mean! I "disappeared" my cell phone once in my first LSD experience. Later, I practiced a bit and with cannabis I did it with more things; once I disappeared a tv! I found out the easiest things to do this with are small things that have a clearly defined background, like a lightbulb on a ceiling, and you mustn't look directly at them but rather the whole scene.

Now that I've read all your posts I know that I have glanced (although very swiftly) on various occasions a bit into the meditative state so I will practice more

and thanks for the pointers daytripper!

 

[Rymmen]

when i have eyes opened and keep focussing with my eye on somethin or nothin then random stuff disappears or kind of morphs and sometimes everything disappears...

I know what you mean! I "disappeared" my cell phone once in my first LSD experience. Later, I practiced a bit and with cannabis I did it with more things; once I disappeared a tv! I found out the easiest things to do this with are small things that have a clearly defined background, like a lightbulb on a ceiling, and you mustn't look directly at them but rather the whole scene.

Now that I've read all your posts I know that I have glanced (although very swiftly) on various occasions a bit into the meditative state so I will practice more

and thanks for the pointers daytripper!

It's an optical illusion. I do it when I'm sober... you can also make things look like they're levitating if they have the right background, or move away, enlarge... you can also make everything go black & white, too.