I don't need this.

[restin]

Bye bye.

I will still observe what will be going on here but I surely don't need this.

I am surprised that even this place, that I hoped to be one of the last refuges of democracy (together with porn-sites ) is not.

I am no longer mod now either.

 

[VerusDeus]

Apparently I missed something, can you please specify what conflict it is that makes you resort to simply ceasing to contribute to this forum? I am really curious, and I think it would be very sad if you were never to post on this forum again. Elaborate please!

Peace!

 

[st.bot.32]

Read the "For those that know me only.." thread.. which got split into the "Unresolved Issues" thread.

 

[Administrator]

Restin didn't give up his moderator rights, I took them away from him, because he destroyed a coherent thread by splitting it in two, without consulting other moderators or the person who started the thread. I asked him first to repair the damage, but he refused.

I know Restin didn't have ill intentions, but no one should just go about independently splitting topics.

The site owner will be back from his holiday next Monday or Tuesday. You can discuss things with him, as I will.

Caduceus Mercurius @ Ground Control

 

[Administrator]

GOD has also been banned.

 

[VerusDeus]

Yeah I already stumbled across it, and to be frank I can not force myself to read everything and I don't believe I can be of help anyway. Maybe I should stay out of this one.

I just think it's sad to see people leaving over these conflicts...

 

[restin]

CM, even if you KNOW the passwort for the site admin, that DOES NOT make you site admin. Even if you don't like my decision, a) I am the moderator b) you are neither admin nor moderator and you said that officially c) you did not ask any other moderators either d) you didn't ASK me to "repair" what I have done, you threatened me and I will not obey you e) you banned a member with no real reason/support, hence ABUSING YOUR POWER. f) I am supported by another moderator and at least two members, which you are not h) you still didn't explain yourself/your reasoning so I, and no one else should accept your decision.

I do not wish to leave this site either but the current circumstances force be to. Caduceus is clearly abusing any rights he has. He is a member of the community and it is unheard of that a member of the communy (respected or not) takes the rights to hack a thread for personal interest.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I'm taking a stand. Enough is enough.

 

[st.bot.32]

Interesting you would choose to use the indefinite article.. "a stand". You aren't just taking any old random stand. You've jumped the gun here in a big way.

 

[HeartCore]

I am surprised that even this place, that I hoped to be one of the last refuges of democracy

In a democracy, freedom of speech is guaranteed to the extent that its not hate speech. Physical violence, even the mere act of threatening with it, is illegal in every civilised democracy, as it should.

You should get off your pedestal and scratch yourself behind the ears, maybe even dry them, before you start babbling about concepts you clearly do not have a good understanding off.

When GOD first came here, he explained why he choose his name and how he thought about the regulars here (screwball fringe) and how he would educate us. That says it all. His attitude from the start was arrogant and superior with a high level of selfproclaimed trollness. That's fine, freedom of speech right? No matter that he made up several stories about people here, pulled them right out of his ass just to discredit people and blow more air into his own ego, still freedom of speech right?

But now he was threatening Caduceus with physical violence. That's the limit, and you don't even mention it, instead you want to attack me because I call him the pathetic arrogant dick that he is because here he is again, hijacking a thread from someone with a real emotional problem which GOD already denounced and made fun of in his own GOD thread, just to draw attention to himself.

When someone starts to threat with physical violence and this remains unchecked, it opens the door for a lot of nastyness which should not be too hard to understand.

That's all I'm going to say about it.

 

[st.bot.32]

This thread isn't about GOD, it's about restin having his moderator rights taken away because he split the argument that formed in the thread for Ahuaeynjxs so as to not distract from the posts that were directed towards Ahuaeynjxs to help him with the issues he's facing right now. This is about somebody who is not a moderator suddenly taking over the forum.

--

But if you want to talk about GOD, first of all, nobody is innocent in this circle, we've all had our share of flames.. right?

GOD was clearly motivated by concern for Aha's self-destructive thoughts. Maybe you've never had a friend of yours commit suicide, well, some of us have, and you know what, I personally would go to HELL and back to prevent it. It's not a joke. It's not a sideshow. You have to take these things seriously. I think you're completely missing the intent behind GOD's post. GOD's number 1 concern has always been about the safety of others, not about watching them with their problems like some kind of aforementioned sideshow. I know he comes off as abrasive sometimes, I can't defend his apparent lack of tact (which is sometimes just his sense of humor being misinterpreted), that doesn't change the intentions of what he posted.

I think people are attacking the man rather than the arguments. And I don't see how anyone can claim the moral high ground. I also think people take GOD way too seriously, he can handle criticism and he can take what he dishes out, and he has been vehemently against censorship of even those that he strongly disagrees with. You've been a moderator, right.. then you've seen that side of him 'behind the hood' on this forum. And no offense, but it seems to be a vocal minority of people here who have a problem with him.

There's a difference between trolling to offend, and perceiving what in your life experience seems to be a problem and feeling compelled to speak up about it, even if it does offend some. I certainly don't always agree with the way he handles situations, but I certainly don't think that merits one person who isn't even supposed to be the moderator suddenly taking over the forum behind everyone else's backs, and banning him for whatever reasons, personal or not. IMO CM is way out of line here.. the slippery slope has been crossed, big time.

Well, I'm off to enjoy a sunny weekend in the offline world, and I hope everyone who is reading this can step back and relax for a bit as well. No sense getting up in knots over this, the world is much bigger than this website. Hopefully cooler heads will prevail in the next short while.

 

[Ahuaeynjxs]

I don't know whats in GOD's head... but if I look at it objectively it felt more like he took some distance from our last argument to better strike at me, his comments were merely critisizing and did not help me at all.

This was a reccurent theme for a while, he was saying you're nuts, go get help, him and douglass were like the alpha male of the board or something and I wasn't welcome, clearly.

I was also quite irritated by the splitting of threads, because to be honest, what happened on this board and the people bashing on me for my different ideas about life did have alot of impact on me not feeling accepted anywhere. Here I felt like , what the heck I cannot even be accepted like I am on a psychonaut board, which is supposed to be a community of open minded people... well I must truely be a looser. Which is why I called for help, because this tension and this rejection while silent in the last months was still very present in my heart.


The unresolved issues and whatnot were caused by me in the first place, and this happens wherever I go, usually I'm the one to get banned because the hate towards me is usually very subtle and indeed I prefered that Douglass told me he would knock my teeth off and that god told me he would spank me that all the other hainous diverted comments I am used to receiving, which is why I still got along for a while.

Lately before GOD went off, it started to get indeed very shadowy and very verbal, in a manner that I would use myself if I WANTED to get banned from a board, because it did not resonate with me anymore for example. But again I don't know what went through their minds.

All I know it that this makes me feel like crap, Ima take the weekend off to think about it a little further. It's a psychonaut community not a DEA rehabilitation group, I understood that GOD and Douglass didn't like my ideas because they might influence people to be confused about esoterics and CHI and whatnot... well I did level my comments but I will never make a compromise because this is too important. If I did influence people it was to take less entheogens and be moderate because I still think you do not get insight from high doses and that its a gradual process of symbiosis with the mushroom.

I did not take it personally Restin, but it was indeed all about me. And for a moment I felt like forces out of my control was trying to take it away and leave me alone in the dark.

 

[magickmumu]

God did threaten to do something unlawful to CM.
Now I don't know about you, but I don't think threatening people is positive.
I am familiar with god being arrogant and using strong language, but this is the first time he actually threatened someone.

I hope you understand me. Have a nice weekend St.bot.

 

[Bastiaan]

I agree about banning GOD
This site is not a playground..
He had plenty of warnings



I would hate to see restin (and st. bot?) leave..

In what way and for what reasons exactly did restin split the topic?
And with what intention?
To me, when I looked at GOD's posts in Ah's (I don't know how the rest goes ) topic, it looked like GOD was way out of line here.
He meant right but still.. I think he should have stayed out of this one.
Not that splitting the topic would help/helped in the long-term but I'd say it was the best thing a site admin could have done.
I mean, if he would have had to discuss it with everyone the damage would have already been done.
So now GOD's banned by CM.. long-term solution
So basically you both intended to clean GOD's crap, but disagree on the ban.
BUT you both intended to clean GOD's crap right?


CM, you blame restin for splitting up a topic, being a site admin (right? :S), without permission or discussing it with other admins.
Perhaps his intentions were good and he just didn't know that, I mean, if you CAN (I mean, I can't.. don't want to but that's not the point ^^ ok srry I am being serious), then I would consider it not a strange thing to think you are permitted to do this..
CM, you could have just told restin that this is not permitted, please don't do it again what were your intentions exactly.
Or did he know?
Then restin, you blame CM for banning a member singlehandedly right?
The fact that I agree with the ban has nothing to do with it.
I can imagine you would do this, because it's very similar to what CM blames you of..
CM perhaps you could be a little less authorative.. at least towards restin, I am saying this even though I agree with the ban and respect your position of responsibility to not have this place turn into a mess.
And restin, you must admit GOD had it coming.. threatening was half a bucket that flooded the already almost full bucket.. (how do you say this in english? ^^)


CM and restin, can't you guys talk this over? :?

(I haven't a lot of information, that's what I'm asking for but this is as I interpret what happened with limited information)

 

[Forkbender]

CM, you are doing stuff that is wrong on so many levels.

* why did you remove mod rights from restin without warning/consulting other mods?

* why did you ask him to restore the thread within 10 minutes when you know for a fact that merging threads isn't possible with the current version of the forum?

* why did you ban GOD without consent from other moderators?

* why did you access Ground_Control when you know you are not a moderator and you only got the password to it by mistake (and even said that you didn't want to know)?

* why did you change the password again today and didn't notify me about it?

I'll stop posting too until all of this is cleared up.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Perhaps his intentions were good and he just didn't know that

I know for a fact restin's intentions were good, but still he shouldn't have done what he did. So I'm not upset with restin personally. In fact none of this is personal.

 

[afer]

I'm aware that my words carry no real weight, but anyway..
GOD had been a big ass since time immemorial, didn't choose words, didn't admit his own mistakes, and didn't give a shit about insulting and deliberately putting people down.

However, a ban is, so to say, a measure I find surprising on a community like this. The ones with the power use it to shut up those who annoy them. How familiar, huh? :roll:

I'm not defending him in any way, I, too, get annoyed the way he puts things, but banning GOD reminds me of a war for peace and sex for virginity. It just conflicts with the spirit of this community.

-Peace-

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Forkbender, take your time. Read up on what happened, what was said and how different parties felt about what happened. See the things that were ignored and denied once again, by other moderators and yourself. Read the posts by Heartcore and Ahuaeynjxs posted above, and read them carefully. They described why I have done what I've done perfectly.

 

[Guigz]

So restin where will be your new virtual house?

 

[Forkbender]

Forkbender, take your time. Read up on what happened, what was said and how different parties felt about what happened. See the things that were ignored and denied once again, by other moderators and yourself. Read the posts by Heartcore and Ahuaeynjxs posted above, and read them carefully. They described why I have done what I've done perfectly.

That's not good enough.

HC's and Ahua's posts explain your ideas, but they don't give you the right to change passwords to shared accounts. They don't give you the right to take away moderator rights from restin and they don't give you the right to ban someone.