I broke my best friend with LSD

[Razor29]

So i have this tripping buddy right and we been friends for years way way before we started to take acid or anything for that matter

im talking about the kind of friend you never fight with and never have issue.

so we would take acid a lot on weekends and parties

now a couple of days ago i get a letter from my friend

the letter was nuts! it was filled with paranoia and fear

he accused me of trying to change him during acid trips.
he accused me of doing things or gathering information about him behind his back
he accused me of trying to manipulate him at the highest levels

he basicly started to read in to anything i did with my brother or with other friend to a point where he thought everything we did was against him

every stupid little gesture somehow mocks him or demands something of him

now granted during a strong acid trip where i am paranoid i might play with these idea my self to a point where i think they might be true but sure enough every time i come down i remember that what i saw is nonsense especially things like strong paranoia

now my friend basically shut him self out of the world

 

[Forkbender]

All you can do is try to take care of him in the best way possible. Even if he doesn't allow you in his life anymore, respect that and tell him your point of view without trying to change his. I hope he will be fine soon.

 

[Razor29]

the letter was clear he wants me out of his life

i keep feeling responsible

i kept getting us the stuff

after i saw the way he wrote and what he said its clear hes not very connected to reality right now

at first out of intense emotion i told him some things sure.... but in the end i understood that he must be left alone by me so i told him i care about him and that im still here thats all.

thats all i can do

 

[mysticwarrior]

Just wait a couple of weeks, and then write a letter from out of your hart. If this won't work, let him decide what happens next.

I wish you good luck, it's really not nice to lose a friend like that.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

It's difficult to comment on this, because we don't know to what extent he may be genuinely pissed off about something you did. We also don't know if it was just one letter (an e-mail?) written while he was under the influence of something, or whether he's been out of it for a couple of weeks already.

If he's indeed losing touch with reality, could it be due to a traumatic experience or period in his life? You don't go nuts from taking acid. There must be other factors involved. He might need professional help, or perhaps just a few nights of good sleep.

 

[TheSearchForSoma]

Wow man, this must be hard for you..

The advice fork&mystic gave are great,but maybe the fact that he gets so paranoid is a symptom of some kind of mental disorder..
Did he change his relationship only whith you or is he getting paranoid about the rest of the wordl too? Because if he does, there's a chance that he might be in an earlier state of schizophrenia of the paranoid type or something similar... Not to make you panic or so ,but maybe it would be good to check with the other people who know him if his behaviour really changed lately..?
I don't know, it's just a suggestion. Just to know for sure, the earlier the treatment of those disorders starts,the better he's off.
You don't have to feel guilty about it, it could happen to everyone, it might be triggered somewhat earlier but most likely NOT caused by the use of psychedelics.

I wish you the best!

 

[Meduzz]

he accused me of trying to change him during acid trips.
he accused me of doing things or gathering information about him behind his back
he accused me of trying to manipulate him at the highest levels

Well did you do any of these things? I'm not accusing you but these are things that are hard to self-diagnose. Listen to him, self analyse and maybe then you'll see whether there is a problem or just paranoia.

 

[spice]

You don't go nuts from taking acid

Some people do.

When there are paranoid tendencies already present, and schizoid tendecies are in the unconscious/subconscious mind, then the acid can bring it to the forefront, and create these types of situations.

We all posess some degree of paranoia, and we all posess some degree of neuroses....how we COPE with it is what defines healthy/unhealthy behaivour.

Many people who are not well-grounded in their belief systems, who don't fully know who they are ( or at least who they want to become) experience these types of states-of-mind when the acid gets them.

As noted above, you may want to introspect and note to yourself, in an honest way, whether or not you did try to alter his belief system and/or influence his perception.

Everyone is always trying to influence each others perception, too.....always.

Depending on the degree of self-assurance and strength of identity, these influences are weathered, and most people don't have real issues dealing with holding on to their own view of the world.

But the reality is this:

Acid is not for everyone. Some people will not benefit from it.

Sad, yes.

True, hell yes.

 

[Brugmansia]

Intense suspicion and fright experienced on an acid trip, for whatever reason, will often fade away in the long-term. Although the victim often feels and believes that the acid has written him for eternity after coming out of such a trip.

Unlying psychotic neuroses are known to be more dramatically, since they are often naturally present and swollen through acid use.

I hope it's the first situation. But I know how you feel. I once gave a good friend of mine some GHB from who I knew that he knows the rules, but he shared it another friend of him. That friend ODéd himself horribily, resulting in an hostpital visit, doctors were really worried about his critical situation. Strong difficulty in breath and a dangerous low heart rate. Close to a seizure. But he made it through.

Although I never got blamed, I felt responsible because if I hadn't given it, it wouldn't have happened.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Some people do.

That's why I wrote: "You don't go nuts from taking acid. There must be other factors involved." Acid cannot make a psychologically and physically healthy person go mad.

 

[Razor29]

i never did anything to him

ill give you an example of something he references in his letter (yes an email named Fuck it)

me and him where trippin and we where 3 hours in, at that point my bro came home from some doctors appointment and he joined us (they have a nice relationship with one another too)while he went through the coming up he was doing nonsence (and according to him he was very introverted at that point)

he claimed that during the time my brother was saying random things and looking at things with a deep look(because of visuals) he thought that those random thing somehow are hostile slurrs againts him and even the deep looks at random items ment something or somekind of plot againts him

not to mention that he wrote that both me and my brother have been trying to change him for months in a secret way and that during the trip it was out in the open and clear he said this and sighted specific tripps that i know i was rapped up in my self and my own problems so i defenatly didint do anything to him i was totally involved with my self

and that in the end of each trip we looked at him with disgust because all our effort to change him has failed

trust me both me and my brother have no idea what hes talking about
their is less then zero reality in what he thinks.

im not saying the acid made him go nuts

im saying like it seemed like it didint help

and i managed to get answers for 2 days after the original letter so i dont think he was under the influence of something

the other letters just kept stating how hes not even human hes just a puppet programed by others and so am i and that their is no point in trying to waste my energy on a puppet

he has a fucked up life (he lives in a bad region in Israel where the borders aren't very clear and religion is practically the rule and he hates religion)and hes not the most settled person i know

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Perhaps you should all meet (sober!) soon and talk things over?

 

[Razor29]

dude we used to talk sober every day, the last time he was here we met the day after the acid too he didint talk much that day then the letter

and the letter mentions not to contact him again he thought it over him self and decided and that nothing i say will change his mind up until that point he never mentioned a thing never complained always claimed hes having a good time

 

[restin]

Acid is not for everyone. Some people will not benefit from it.

Acid was/is used in psychotherapy, wasn't/isn't it?

 

[MelloTrip]

Which doens't mean it worked/works for everyone.

Sorry if that was a real question.

 

[Razor29]

i think im just going to leave him alone for a while

but still try to keep an eye on things somehow(through friends and stuff like that)

 

[restin]

Which doens't mean it worked/works for everyone.

...which doesn't mean that it will make it worse (?)

wasn't that a real answer?

 

[spice]

Acid has a way of bringing underlying themes to the surface.....some people cannot hadle having subconscious conflicts brought into the conscious mind, they are not strong enough.

Contrary to what many people believe, it's not harmless.


It is a powerfoll tool, when used skillfully, and willfully, but in the hands of fools or people with certain internal issues, it can do more harm than good.

 

[Brugmansia]

Acid is not for everyone. Some people will not benefit from it.

Acid was/is used in psychotherapy, wasn't/isn't it?

Yeah, before 1961 it was used very successfully by the Hofmann potion. The selections were very critical for obvious reasons. And could have been marked as a clinical treatment in where LSD was ingested as a medicine for the soul.

Students of the Harvard University broke with this principles, and wanted it to give to the world to cure everyone with no borders. Which obviously, was exactly what Hofmann tried to prevent. He knew from the very first beginning what the other side of acid was and how to use it without letting that side coming up to the upper surface.

Fact is anyway, that between 10 years before 1961, almost only succesfull psychotherapies were done.

But I can understand it, acid is the ONLY substance from where I have always felt positive. On Weed, Psilo, Salvia, Mescaline and even MDMA I have had negative loaded phases.

Seems that acid goes really well and smooth for me, oh how different that is with Psilo. At first I couldn't believe the terror stories on LSD. But I had an acquaintance who possibily committed suicide after only doing it 3 times. And I was more or less astonished about how his view on life was altered. The reason for his death is still unclear, but he said to his parents that he decided to leave earth for another place before he hung himself.

 

[GOD]

You are in the SHIT and you put yourself there . Learn from it . Drugs are not toys , thats why experienced people do rituals .

You have a duty to solve the problem . Dont pester him . Youll have to tell him you are sorry . Tell him you love him . Ask him please to talk about it and tell him you will listen to him . When you listen to him........ DONT DENY ANYTHING AND DONT DEFEND YOURSELF , DONT ARGUE . ITS NOT ABOUT DEFENDING YOURSELF ITS ABOUT HELPING HIM . Read the post from Meduzz .

The rest of you should shut the fuck up . Its not about arguing , about whos right or wrong........ ITS ABOUT SOME POOR FUCKER OUT THERE WITH A BURNT BRAIN . If you havent got anything helpfull to say DONT SAY IT .