how to trip on micelium??

[Meduzz]

god, the overflow thing doesn't work that way for your stomache. it's true that there will be much more work, but the acidity won't do any damage...

but you are right about the lemon juice,

i thought it was an emulsifier because there is mayonaise with lemon juice, and mayonaise with egg yolk.
i just looked it up and it's the vineagar they replace with lemon juice, and they still use egg yolk as an emulsifier.

my mistake.

but i could swear i heard from somewhere that you can use lemon juice to dissolve THC into water...

 

[buffachino]

On the question of psilocybin/psilocin propose within a mycelial mass, I would theorize that the alkaloids operate as neurotransmitters, just as serotonin operates as a neurotransmitter within a human brain; the organism is cognitively synchronized by the coalescence of perception between rhizomorphoid bodies by means of selective monoamine transmission.

 

[GOD]

" because all the psilocybin gets transformed in psilocyn in lemon juice, "

No it doesnt . It was a lab failure , they forgot that when you leave Psilocybin in the warm , with light and oxygen it turns into Psilocin . For the same reason that mushrooms have a blueing reaction when squeezed , its called oxydisation . Psilocybin is almost instantly transformed into Psilocin when it gets into your stomach , wich can be seen when people take Psilocin , the effects take the same time to come on as when taking Psilocybin . When i`ve got time i will try to find the proof of what i say , but its a bit uninteresting for me as i already did it a few months ago in another thread here .

" How much time between feeling the first effects and the peak approximately? "

When i used to take mushrooms i felt the first sensations after 5 to 10 minutes , but the psychoactive effects started after 20 to 25 minutes and then reached a peak after 45 minutes to 1 hour . When i drank tees the first psychoactive effects came after 10 to 20 minutes and i was at a peak at about 45 minutes . With mushrooms i always felt like i had a belly full of worms and with a tee it was always smoother , faster , more comfortable and stronger . But that was me personaly .

" but the acidity won't do any damage... "

No not nesecerily , but it can , have you never had " heart burn " ? Where your stomach overflows and it burns into your throat . Or an acid stomach because of stress ? I have and so do lots of other people , take a look here , especialy at the " Causes " part :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartburn

Love GOD

 

[HeartCore]

When I attempted my first grow 16 years ago, I could not get anything to flush and had four healthy cakes. These where ryye cakes (whole grain) and I just ate two of them. It's not bad, it's just as if you are eating moldy rye

If vermiculite is added you have to extract the psilocybin. This can be done in minutes by using a standard tea extraction.

 

[Meduzz]

No not nesecerily , but it can , have you never had " heart burn " ? Where your stomach overflows and it burns into your throat . Or an acid stomach because of stress ? I have and so do lots of other people , take a look here , especialy at the " Causes " part :- http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heartburn

true true, i guess our dispute gets out of hand because there are too many factors.

if we place it into context (lemon juice in mushroom tea), i'm pretty sure there will be no ulcers, heartburn or whatever damage because of the lemon juice.

i'm sure adding lemon juice is no more harmful than drinking a glass of coca-cola.

 

[GOD]

I dont see a dispute . I think that thats to hard a word . I dont see any reason to add acids to a mushroom tee .

Coca cola is poison and kills . When i was a kid it was a diferent drink , it used to prickle in your mouth and have loads of cafeine in it , nowardays its just some sort of watered down soft super sugary kiddy pop with no flavour .

 

[Meduzz]

I dont see a dispute . I think that thats to hard a word . I dont see any reason to add acids to a mushroom tee .

Coca cola is poison and kills . When i was a kid it was a diferent drink , it used to prickle in your mouth and have loads of cafeine in it , nowardays its just some sort of watered down soft super sugary kiddy pop with no flavour .

i saw a dispute, but then again i remembered your style of writing and realized there was no offence.

about the coca cola, it still tastes good and prickles unless you get some at the movie theater or so... 50% cola 50% ice...

 

[Dantediv86]

On the question of psilocybin/psilocin propose within a mycelial mass, I would theorize that the alkaloids operate as neurotransmitters, just as serotonin operates as a neurotransmitter within a human brain; the organism is cognitively synchronized by the coalescence of perception between rhizomorphoid bodies by means of selective monoamine transmission.

sorry to say mate the mushrooms do not feel anything because of the way psylocibin is stored in the cells...our brains can feel the substances when these interact from one cell to the other causing different reactions...psilocibin is just a byproduct of metabolysm wich is not meant for the mushroom "per se".

 

[silv]

I dont see a dispute . I think that thats to hard a word . I dont see any reason to add acids to a mushroom tee .

Coca cola is poison and kills . When i was a kid it was a diferent drink , it used to prickle in your mouth and have loads of cafeine in it , nowardays its just some sort of watered down soft super sugary kiddy pop with no flavour .

i can, lemon juice tastes nice (at least imho) but besides that I believe it's quite clear

 

[HeartCore]

psilocibin is just a byproduct of metabolysm wich is not meant for the mushroom "per se".

The only issue with that remark is that the only 'person' to validate that, (or invalidat), would be a mushroom

 

[Dantediv86]

true
but still the mushroom has a consciosness that is not neurotransmitted as the animal one...i believe that is their mean to connect neuroconscious beings with them (since neurotransmitters are messages put in chemical form)...you know what i mean if you know how a brain works.

 

[Meduzz]

i agree that they are byproducts, not neurotransmitters.
apart from producing psilocybin/cin, magic mushrooms are very similar to other mushrooms.

 

[aequitas3]

im almost 100% sure that psilocybin is made when 2 mycelium bodies meet and fruit bodies grow. my guess would be the psilocybin in the substrate/mycelium (Assuming there is any) would have shed off of the fruit bodies themselves.

 

[buffachino]

Dante…

I understand what you mean, but neurotransmission or the process by which one processes experience does not only abide by relative human characteristics within nature.

Instead of requiring an alkaloid like serotonin to transmit cognisance between cells, perhaps the mushrooms contain these alkaloids as a means of static awareness. That is to say that a mycelium need not convey a thought to be culminated with other thoughts from cell to cell in order to compute its experience of the world, as humans do. Psilocybin allows a mycelium to perceive all of itself in one moment, without the need to transmit its perception at all. In other mushroom species that do not contain these alkaloids, yet consume relatively the same biomass, the cognitive process is different and other chemical agents are used, that may not be active for humans.
Psilocybin/psilocin is just as much a key to the soul for mushrooms as nn-DMT is for humans.

Then again, one cannot say that these psychoactive alkaloids are a by-product of mycelial metabolism, because many mushroom species produce these alkaloids, despite growing on different mediums. Mushrooms requiring different enzymes to metabolise biomass and assimilate energy, still produce the same by-product of that dissimilar metabolism. The mushrooms seek out and produce this alkaloid for a purpose. Thus, one thing that all of these mushrooms that produce these alkaloids do have in common is their need to perceive their existence, using these alkaloids as a vehicle for doing so rather than producing them by accident.

Peace.[/quote]

 

[Psychoid]

one thing that all of these mushrooms that produce these alkaloids do have in common is their need to perceive their existence

:? Can you explain please :S

 

[HeartCore]

im almost 100% sure that psilocybin is made when 2 mycelium bodies meet and fruit bodies grow. my guess would be the psilocybin in the substrate/mycelium (Assuming there is any) would have shed off of the fruit bodies themselves.

You are 100% wrong with that remark

Mycelium contains psilocybin period. It's a fact and has been show both by research and experience. As I mentioned earlier in this topic, if you grow on whole grain rye, you don't even have to extract the psilocybin but you can just eat the cakes. It's not the easiest of most comfortable way but in case you can't get your cakes to fruiting (as I coudlnt 15 years ago), this is a way to still get off from you cakes.

 

[Dantediv86]

Dante…
I understand what you mean, but neurotransmission or the process by which one processes experience does not only abide by relative human characteristics within nature.

yes, but plants use hormones to do that i am aware of what you are saying
and it's understood that we can't compare to the human parameter

Instead of requiring an alkaloid like serotonin to transmit cognisance between cells, perhaps the mushrooms contain these alkaloids as a means of static awareness.

it's possible but they don't need that...it would be kinda stupid of them since their awareness is but static.

That is to say that a mycelium need not convey a thought to be culminated with other thoughts from cell to cell in order to compute its experience of the world, as humans do.

of course

Psilocybin allows a mycelium to perceive all of itself in one moment, without the need to transmit its perception at all.

this is where i disagree with you Buff. though your theory of static awareness might be plausible the fact that a mushroom uses alkaloids to percieve is absolutely out of question since it is merely stored and unused by the mushroom. i'll get to what i mean exactly in a few more lines

In other mushroom species that do not contain these alkaloids, yet consume relatively the same biomass, the cognitive process is different and other chemical agents are used, that may not be active for humans.

this is again where you are wrong my dear watson because the fact that they are not active in the thoughtprocess doesn't mean they are not active in our system weather we are aware of it or not.

Psilocybin/psilocin is just as much a key to the soul for mushrooms as nn-DMT is for humans.

and here you are wrong again my dear Watson, because you are contradicting yourself....you are comparing a psychoactive substance by human parameters...

Then again, one cannot say that these psychoactive alkaloids are a by-product of mycelial metabolism, because many mushroom species produce these alkaloids, despite growing on different mediums.

it's still a byproduct because it's not used by the mushroom's body...i'm not making it less noble in it's purpose , because it still has a purpose tho it's not the one you think, by calling it thus. and your statement on alkaloid production of mushroom is understood.

Mushrooms requiring different enzymes to metabolise biomass and assimilate energy, still produce the same by-product of that dissimilar metabolism. The mushrooms seek out and produce this alkaloid for a purpose. Thus, one thing that all of these mushrooms that produce these alkaloids do have in common is their need to perceive their existence, using these alkaloids as a vehicle for doing so rather than producing them by accident.
Peace.

No, no, no metabolism is one thing and since we are talking about the same spieces it is the same in everey single organism of that spieces thus they have same enzymes and metabolic pathways...tho on the fact that they have a purpose for producing it i agree a 100% with you but you hav to understand that the fact that they are producing an alkaloidial neurotransmitter is not for themselves, it's for us! they don't need an alkaloid to percieve themselves, they already do with their being alive and with their hormonally driven life like all plantlike lifeform on earth...the neurotransmitter is for them to communicate with us! to send us their message and reach out to our minds and let us know how THEY feel and what and HOW THEY are thinking. but they do not need that for themselves that is just a transcription of their message in huma form

i didn't mean to be offensive...tho i was and i apologize for that but my feelings got the upperhand and i wrote it out of my guts
i hope you understand my point of view
Peace
Dante

PS buff any news of the seeds i sent?

 

[acim2]

I just want to say I really like this thread. Not so much because of the content, but because I think a lot of people are learning and expressing what they believe. It's important to tell people when they believe something that isn't true, or tell them you feel differently about something, or tell them how you feel about what they say...as long as you don't tell someone how to feel. I didn't find any thing anyone said to be very offensive and saw only the slightest bit of patronization.

 

[buffachino]

Must something be consumed or metabolised to be used?
Do the mushrooms have to break down their alkaloidal content for it to be considered useful to the mushrooms perception?
Either way, I agree with you.
But I would like to figure this out, not argue about it.

Please, can you show me some evidence of the commonality by which all mushrooms containing psilocybin utilise similar or the same enzymes to produce energy from a multitude of separate food sources, or that psilocybin is produced as a by-product of this metabolism? Once I see that all of these mushrooms utilise the exact same metabolic pathway to produce psilocybin regardless of the source material, I will agree that they are in fact a by product of metabolism. Otherwise, I will continue to hold the idea of them having a higher cognitive function rather than a simple metabolic by-product. If psilocybin is produced by a number of different methods for different species, strains or food sources, then this shows that they purposefully seek out this compound. If this is the case, it must play a crucial role in the mushrooms life.

If anyone has some sources of information on mushroom metabolism, psilocybes or not, please contribute! And maybe we might need to split this discussion into a new topic?

Peace.

 

[Dantediv86]

Then again, one cannot say that these psychoactive alkaloids are a by-product of mycelial metabolism, because many mushroom species produce these alkaloids, despite growing on different mediums.
Peace.

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dude ...you said it yourself

probably we have gone too philosophical here
i agree on splittin'
unless we just stop arguing about arguments ( ) that we cannot be sure of...it could lead to wishful thnking...