how to trip on micelium??

[entheonemesis]

i heard that eaven after a cake stops flourishing mushrooms that you can consume it becouse it contains psilocin/psilocibin so i obtained some older (not to old, maybe like less than 1 month) cakes from a friend.... i heard that for one trip approximately 2dcl of micelium would have to be consumed.... okay till now everythong is clear, the only thing i dont get is how the hell to ingest that stuff??? i mean i certanly couldnt eat it becouse it has been grown on rice-vermikuliute and vermikulite doesent sound like too tasty..... should i break the cake and then soak it in water for some time right? should i add some lemon to help the apsorption?
thanks for the advices

 

[Guest]

I think the point is you have to extract the psilocin/psilocybin from the cake in order to trip from it.
There was an extraction tek, but I'll have to ask Heartcore wich site it was on (I believe shroomery.org or deoxy.org)

 

[Forkbender]

I can't recall ever hearing before that mycelium contains psilocybin. I might be wrong.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Yes, I heard this too. What does psilocybin actually do for the mushroom itself (or the mycelium rather)? Any biologists here who know what function it has for the organism itself?

 

[Forkbender]

How much mycelium does the cake actually contain? Or do you mean you need 2 dcl cakes?

 

[synchronize]

Any biologists here who know what function it has for the organism itself?

Then I shall speculate.
Not every molecule that is created in an organism is perse benificial for the organism itself in a direct way. A lot of molecules are created because they are byproducts from metabolisis, that means it is a sort of wasteproduct. These can be excreted by the organism or be further metabolized to create energie or lose atoms like O2 or carbon. If it is the case for Psilocybin / psilocin is very difficult question to answer. Since it can also have benificial effect in sefferal ways. In low dosis it can give animals, who eat the mushroom, a pleasent feeling and thereby they keep eating the shrooms and thereby transporting the spores to different anvironments where they can start growing as offspring. But it could also have the oposite effect when toomuch has been eaten, and thereby it can benifit the fungi in a way that it isnt eaten to much by animals and thereby living longer to spread the spore via the air. Why mycelium produces it could be almost the same. Altough mycelium normally dies around 40'C so does not survive the intestines, but small particles of mycelium could be spread so it can grow out. Evolution says that life will always try its best to survive or via their offspring..
But hey life isnt one-directional, so there is always a bias of several answers.

 

[Forkbender]

These shrooms must be tripping balls.

 

[Meduzz]

the mycellium IS the actual organism. the mushrooms itself are for spreading spores. if there would be psilocybin/cin in the mycelium this would have no function, but it is possible.

i'm pretty sure there is psilocybin/cin in the mycelium of psilocybes.
take a look at philosopher's stones, they are huge parts of mycelium to withstand cold.

 

[GOD]

Myceleum as Meduzz says is the organism and is suposed to contain a little more Psilocybin / Psilocin than the opened mushrooms . The mushrooms are the sexual organs of the myceleum . Myceleum does not survive ingestion , spores do and can be spread around by animals ingesting them and shiting all over the place . There is no way to judge how much myceleum is in a cake , so you will have to do some tests , gradualy ingesting more . All you have to do is make a tea out of hot water ( 70°C ) and myceleum . You do not need lemon juice or acids as the drugs are readily soluble in water and your stomach is full of acid with a PH of 4 , acids would just give you more chance of feeling bodily discomfort . No one knows why the mushrooms / myceleum contain those drugs , but it could be to encourage or discourage animals to eat them .

Not wishing to be ofensive or critisise anyone , BUT i`m getting sick to death of hearing about people wanting to mix acids into things that are already water soluble . What about mixing acids with the water you make tea , coffee or drinking chocolate with ??? Would it make it stronger ??? Or would it just give you stomach burn and cause you to get ulcers . Acids are added to things when the chemicals in them are in a base / alkali form wich is not readily water soluble .

 

[Meduzz]

Not wishing to be ofensive or critisise anyone , BUT i`m getting sick to death of hearing about people wanting to mix acids into things that are already water soluble . What about mixing acids with the water you make tea , coffee or drinking chocolate with ??? Would it make it stronger ??? Or would it just give you stomach burn and cause you to get ulcers . Acids are added to things when the chemicals in them are in a base / alkali form wich is not readily water soluble .

i suppose you mean the lemon juice in tea? it is to make an emulsion.
take mayonaise: vineagar (water soluble) + salad oil (not w.s.) => doesn't bind

if you add a emulsifier, like lecithin (egg yolk) or lemon juice, they do bind.

i guess the lemon juice is just to make things dissolve much beter.

but psilocybin/cin is soluble enough in water.
but THC isn't, so for weed tea, you DO need lemon juice (or egg yolk ).

btw, god, stomach juices contain HCl and have a pH=4. if you don't don't go under pH 4 you're safe.

 

[DevXavier]

Acidifying for dissolvement is all crap.

All THC needs it water and fat to dissolve. I've made a zillion hash yoghurts, chocolate drinks, tea, etc. Never ever did it not dissolve and I have never used lemon juice.

I agree with God, it's getting annoying.

 

[GOD]

" btw, god, stomach juices contain HCl and have a pH=4. if you don't don't go under pH 4 you're safe. "

A stomach contains enough acid and adding any more can cause stomach problems and ulcers , ask a doctor . When we eat fryed foods or anything fatty do we need an emulsifyer to digest it ? No .

 

[Meduzz]

A stomach contains enough acid and adding any more can cause stomach problems and ulcers , ask a doctor .

if i have a jar of pH4 acid solution, and another jar with pH4 acid solution, and it put them in a big jar, what will the pH be? 4...

you are talking about pH<3. and THEN it gets dangerous...
you have to know that pH3 is 10 times more acidic than pH4, and pH2 10 times more acidic than pH3.

it's a logarithmic scale.

devxavier, how did you make your weed tea without the thc floating on top of the water?

 

[DevXavier]

Adding fat milk does the trick.

 

[Meduzz]

Adding fat milk does the trick.

milk is an emulsion :idea:

 

[DevXavier]

I know virtually nothing about chemistry.

All I know is THC virtually doesn't dissolve in water, but dissolves a lot beter when you add some oil or fat milk to the tea.

 

[Psychoid]

Not wishing to be ofensive or critisise anyone , BUT i`m getting sick to death of hearing about people wanting to mix acids into things that are already water soluble . What about mixing acids with the water you make tea , coffee or drinking chocolate with ??? Would it make it stronger ??? Or would it just give you stomach burn and cause you to get ulcers . Acids are added to things when the chemicals in them are in a base / alkali form wich is not readily water soluble .

But with shrooms lemon juice DOES make it stronger by transforming psilocybin in psilocyn...

 

[Meduzz]

and the taste is beter i guess

 

[GOD]

" if i have a jar of pH4 acid solution, and another jar with pH4 acid solution, and it put them in a big jar, what will the pH be? 4... "

Hey wow Einstein !!! But you would have 2 jars full of acid instead of 1 = your body would have to do twice as much to neutralise it .......... and if you try to put two jars full of acid in ...........ONE.........jar it would.........OVERFLOW ....... and cause...... DAMAGE !!!!!

" vineagar (water soluble) + salad oil (not w.s.) => doesn't bind if you add a emulsifier, like lecithin (egg yolk) or lemon juice, they do bind. "

The egg is the emulsifyer , not the lemon juice , the lemon juice is just there for the flavour . Try to mix oil and lemon juice on their own and see what happens .

" milk is an emulsion "

Wich neutralises acids and doesnt cause stomach problems !!!!

Just laugh and dont take it to seriously............ and let us know what happens when you mix the oil with the lemon juice ????


" But with shrooms lemon juice DOES make it stronger by transforming psilocybin in psilocyn... "

No it doesnt . We have had this one before . The person who reported it made a mistake . I will look it up again when i`ve slept and if i can find it i will tell you who , what , where and why . Or you could tell me the sauce of your speculation = proove it please . And anyway no one gets a trip of Psilocybin , it gets changed to Psilocin , the actual psychoactive drug , in the stomach .

 

[Psychoid]

Yeah lemon juice doesn't make the tea stronger of course it has nothing to do with the solubility but the effect YES, because all the psilocybin gets transformed in psilocyn in lemon juice, so your stomach doesn't have to make the transformation and absorbs everything a lot faster, making a much more violent coming up. I have experienced it, with 2.5g of shrooms, and the effect was definitely much stronger than a previous experience of about the same amount of the same mushrooms. Could be placebo, but I seriously doubt about it. Or maybe the sudden and violent coming up makes it feel like the effect is a lot stronger when it isn't in fact...

I also have a question... How much time between feeling the first effects and the peak approximately?