How much to smoke?

[Shroomination]

With out proper preparation too, Large doses could be damaging to the person's psyche / mental health even if it is for 15 minutes on DMT or Salvia. We all have different reactions and are unique, But in some rare cases people go into an acute psychosis even on a low dose let alone a heroic one. Not only that but the experience can also be so over whelming for some it leaves them questioning reality.

Did you get round to smoking some DMT, Shroomination?

no, sadly i have not been able to find it where i live. i have a few burner friends that say they can get it but you know how that goes...i have been thinking hard about extraction but the use of sodium hydroxide and naptha scares me. i dont want to be smoking lye, and i know the naptha evaporates, but if its anything like making hash with butane not all of it evaporates. plus like i said smoking lye cant be good for your lungs

 

[ophiuchus]

i believe that the lye isn't vaporized at the tempurature that you would smoke dmt. still i know virtually nothing about chemistry... also, even if it wasn't vaporized, it would still be sitting in the lungs, no?

 

[Shroomination]

y... also, even if it wasn't vaporized, it would still be sitting in the lungs, no?

thats really my question. i was reading about the vaporization of lye and its like 4x's the heat that the dmt vaporizes at, but still, your probably sucking it into your lungs when you smoke, it is still lye!

 

[IJesusChrist]

No.

You can't get LYE into your naptha solution.

You can't vaporize LYE with any type of torch.

LYE at the concentration that you could EVER get into your system by a dmt extraction would be so miniscule, if you are worrying about this, you better never, ever use bleach again in your house - let alone any other cleaning chemical.

This is NOT a valid fear.

 

[Shroomination]

No.

You can't get LYE into your naptha solution.

You can't vaporize LYE with any type of torch.

LYE at the concentration that you could EVER get into your system by a dmt extraction would be so miniscule, if you are worrying about this, you better never, ever use bleach again in your house - let alone any other cleaning chemical.

This is NOT a valid fear.

simply put, thank you!
im going to order some MHRB and do the extract myself.
this seems to be a very safe and effective process to make DeeM. this stuff seems to be the most elusive substance in the world. i mean for gads sake, i have had a half a dozen people tell me they can get it or tell me they got it and when it comes down to actually getting it in my grips its impossible to find! really? c'mon, if its this easy to make then i dont know why everyone isnt doing DMT!

 

[IJesusChrist]

I have a problem with ordering a tree thats been stripped from a rainforest...

Beyond that, really, take it seriously. I know you're a ways a way from the inhalation of the substance, but make sure you are very open minded when you attempt this. It may destroy your reality.

 

[ophiuchus]

im looking for something specific right now but am having trouble finding it... but i HAVE found some things that i think need to be addressed before you go on talking about using naptha.

"i have never made the extract and i am not a chemist so why would i know at what temp lye evaps"

Isn't that the definition of ignorance?

no. ignorance is IGNORING. that would mean he didn't want to know. well it turns out, he found out and wanted to know, so that is actually the exact OPPOSITE of ignorance. also, writing "nicer" is a proven method. classical conditioning: "positive reinforcement".

^ even though it's not really a point of mine, i found it on my way and so since were all here i figure its relevant. it's important to know your vocabulary, and also how the mind works, in order to make a coherent response to something.

...trying to find this damn thread about lye being carried over in naptha extractions. i have a feeling you know what i mean IJC. that particular question was never answered...

i found this while digging (fucking deep :x ) to find this thread about lye and dmt. it is from the thread "question regarding naptha" (post-34965.html?f=36):

heres the link in reference: http://www.lycaeum.org/nepenthes/Extraction/naptha.html

IJC:
"Naptha is horrible, but the thing is, if you do this once a year or less you're going to be perfectly fine.

Tip: Think of memories you wish to forget when working with naptha "


care to explain that in the meantime? im still looking btw... it's been at least 30 min so far. goddamn.

 

[ophiuchus]

so of course, as soon as i post the last one, i find it...
to put it in context:

No.

You can't get LYE into your naptha solution.

You can't vaporize LYE with any type of torch.

LYE at the concentration that you could EVER get into your system by a dmt extraction would be so miniscule, if you are worrying about this, you better never, ever use bleach again in your house - let alone any other cleaning chemical.

This is NOT a valid fear.

mind explaining HOW it is that one cannot get lye into their naptha mix, in lieu of this shit below?

we aren't talking about vaporising lye, we are talking about consuming it period, which can be very harmful.

you are NOT an objective observer.

this is from post-37988.html?f=36 (How to extract DMT (The Easy & low-cost way))

Yo, I think 10g of NaOH is more appropriate than 5g per 20g MHRB.

Also I think you want some kind of step to reduce the amount of lye in your nonpolar to give a less irritating smoke. Either wash the nonpolar with bicarb, or dry it with MgSO4, or perhaps wash your freebase with cold 10% ammonia. Or recrystallize.
...(edited down for size)

for less irratating smoke couldn't you just wash your crystals with water to get rid of naoh?

now i dont know enough about chemistry to know where the lye is coming from (im guessing NAOH), but, i can see that you and others acknowledged that there is some possibility of lye carrying over by the following information:

Why wash your nonpolar with Sodium Carbonate solution, except that this is highly effective in removing residual lye?

Have you noticed a difference in the harshness of the dmt produced with and without this wash? Have you licked your lips after smoking dmt which was not washed in this way? Have you measured the pH of the shit coating your lips after smoking unwashed dmt?

I've made pounds and pounds of dmt. Brown, orange, yellow, and creamy white. (No red...)

I have noticed that when the nonpolar is dried with MgSO4 or when the freebase is freezer-precipitated from naptha- in both of these cases the smoke is very much less harsh than it would be otherwise.

I have prepared yellow dmt powder with residual lye in it (from evaporation of naptha) which was much more harsh to smoke than orange sticky dmt which has had the lye removed. I shared this evaporated-yellow-dmt once with an experienced traveler and he complained that the amount of residual lye was excessive. Since then MgSO4 has been used and further complaints have not occurred. I have a very hard time believing that this significant improvement in quality is due to the MgSO4 removing some component other than base... what possible component could it be?

Marsofold spoke of this lye contamination issue and he had his own way to solve it. He was a skilled researcher.

...from the same message:

In fact water is soluble in naptha at least 0.1%. Let's do some rough math. It takes me about 3 liters of naptha to pull a half ounce of dmt. 3000 grams naptha * .1% water = 3 grams of water. i use 25% base, so if I evaporate I will get .75 grams of LYE mixed in my half ounce of dmt. this is NO JOKE!

I'm curious- who told you there is no such thing as a solid carried by a vaporizing liquid? Was this person a professor, or a professional chemist? I sincerely doubt it.

look another, endlessness acknowledges too...

you are right that lye can come as unvaporized particle, I should have been clearer about that. Smoking out of a water bong would help with that, but otherwise the sodium carbonate wash is very effective at removing lye as mentioned. I dont understand your first question about why wash the non polar appart from removing lye..? That is exactly the point, removing lye and any other polar impurity that might have come across from bad separation.

so im confused. do you, either IJC or madprossor or endlessness mind explaining WTF? we acknowledge that a vaporizing liquid can carry a solid, then, correct?

 

[IJesusChrist]

Here is where I am coming from;

NaOH is an ionic salt,

It is insoluble in ether and other non-polar solvents.

Here is the spectrum of solvents/soluables:
Non-polar, Polar, Ionic.

Like dissolves like, this is one the very basic chemistry principles. It means that polar dissolves polar, non-polar dissolves non-polar.

Since Ions are usually solids, they do not dissolve eachother - however you can easily dissolve them in polar solutions. You can readily view this when you put table salt in water. NaCl (Salt) in H2O dissolve quickly. The water can pull apart the NaCl bond, making two ions ; Na+ and Cl-, this is why NaCl dissassociates in water.

NaCl is still polar very polar, in fact it is so polar, it is labelled ionic - The molecule literally has a (+) and a (-) charged side to it. This reason alone is why you will NEVER EVER see your Table sale dissolve in vegetable oil - Seriously, go try it, it's a good chem lesson.

Now NaOH (Otherwise known as lye) is also ionic. It dissolves almost instantly in water. The same idea goes: Ionic or polar molecules are not going to dissolve in non-polar molecules. There is no black/white border for what is polar and what is not, it is different shades of grey though, but not to worry, because Naptha is one of the most NON-POLAR substances you can get. I think it may even have less polarity than vegetable oil. The only substances that will dissolve in naptha are non-polar.

Now. When you make a mixture of NaOH / Naptha / Water you will see 2 layers. One contains Naptha, the other contains a solution of Na+, OH-, and H2O.

This is the FIRST reason why you won't get NaOH in your naptha solution, the same reason you won't get table salt to dissolve in your vegetable oil.

The second reason you won't inhale is because NaOH, if for some reason it got into your naptha solution, is because it will not be aqueous (it will not be dissolved in water - water cannot be in a solution of naptha) therefore it will be in its solid form. Its solid form is NOT volatile in any way, however it can form a vapor with the water in the air... Which could cause it to be inhaled.

The true reason I believe there is harshness in DMT smoke is because you can be burning some of your DMT - actually burning it. You may also be burning small amounts of fats...

If for some reason someone gave me pure DMT on an island where it was legal, and I was able to recrystallize it with molecular concept's thoughts, I would doubt 100% it would be any smoother than the shit people have smoked before.

And like I said before. All things considered, and if molec is right, the possible amounts you could be smoking of NaOH will be on the levels of 10^-9 moles, or less. If you are worried about this, you need to stop cleaning your whites with bleach and kiss febreeze goodbye. That shit'll kill ya!