How much to smoke?

[MindAsh]

The potency of DMT opposed to that of Cannabis is vast.
The effects of DMT opposed to that of Cannabis when smoked are extremely different.

Some people may go as far as to weigh a dose of cannabis, However by eye is much less time consuming and easy to become a good judge for yourself. I dont doubt this is also achievable for the regular DMT smoker, However the advice offerd is for some one new to DMT

DMT Demands and Commands alot more respect in its use then that of cannabis and regardless of its toxicity levels in the body it could still be bad for the unprepared mind, as can cannabis.
People react differently and I just want to give the safest advice I can :wink:

to this i have to agree, DMT can be quite mind shattering and absolutely terrifying to someone who isnt experienced with high doses of mushrooms or lsd or mescalin. i only say to use 40-60mg to avoid the negative body feelings accociated with lower doses but truely it is best to start off light and familiarize yourself but then again i dont think that low doses really do much to familiarize yourself with the higher end. its like the difference between eating a 30mg codiene pill and shooting strait heroin, theres really no way to compare them. but always ALWAYS have a sitter present that at the very least can keep you sitting/laying in one spot for the 15 minutes tops that the trip will last

 

[IJesusChrist]

If you haven't done lsd, shrooms or mesca, don't do DMT.

If you have done them, in a reasonable amount, where CEVs are common place, and 'getting lost' in your thoughts is a memory (fond or not) then go ahead and dive in... that's about all I can say.

If you want to be safe, follow sticki.

 

[trick]

^ there we go. i nominate THAT for the answer to the OT.

but i also like the comparison of measuring weed doses. although maryjane is much more forgiving, and most people just know how much to smoke because of experience. but it takes a few times of getting too high to really get that part down, and being that this is the guys first time, i think an approximate dose would be appropriate. but that dose would be subjective to the individual, not the effects. its all about previous psychedelic experience as IJC said above.

 

[MindAsh]

idk if i agree with not doing dmt until one has done lsd, i think the short duration might be a good prep for those 12 hour long voyages into insanity, not to mention my brother has done fine having only tripped twice in his life on weak as well as a very strong dose of ayahusaca, hes a changed person in the best way

 

[IJesusChrist]

Were you there to guide your brother, sit him?
How did your brother ingest the aya? At a ceremony or at home?

This is the reason you don't want to just dive into DMT, not knowing anything about it aside from wikipedia & erowid:
http://psychonaut.com/post-33607.html?f=36

I really wish I would have met him.

 

[MindAsh]

oh wow yeah i was most definitely there to guide him and it was done in a home setting with certain ceremonial aspects of course, he first ingested 3 grams of ground capsuled syrian rue and then drank 2 cups of mimosa tea from a batch of 4 cups that was brewed using 42 grams of mimosa and 400mg of THH 35 minutes after the rue (yes im aware it was an aya analog and not traditional) but i most certainly agree that no one even those experienced should ever go into it alone and or without a guide. hes since gone from suicidal emo to optimistic spiritualist now lol. im very happy for him.

 

[trick]

did you read the link to the thread IJC just posted?

:x

the fact that a "suicidal emo" was even within feet of the stuff makes this discontent feeling in my stomach. but it sounds like a happy ending to a cool story, so i wont flame.

this stuff is not a toy. its been said many times and i stand by that.

i consider myself a somewhat experienced psychonaut, and i have been for a fair portion of my life, but i know im not ready to take the dive. the fact that "suicidal emos" are being fed this stuff somewhat upsets me.

 

[MindAsh]

did you read the link to the thread IJC just posted?

:x

the fact that a "suicidal emo" was even within feet of the stuff makes this discontent feeling in my stomach. but it sounds like a happy ending to a cool story, so i wont flame.

this stuff is not a toy. its been said many times and i stand by that.

i consider myself a somewhat experienced psychonaut, and i have been for a fair portion of my life, but i know im not ready to take the dive. the fact that "suicidal emos" are being fed this stuff somewhat upsets me.

well my brother isnt an emo nor the poster from that troubled topic but he was deffinitely a bleak and dismal person who had tried to off himself in the past and had alot of emo tendancies but the ayahuasca has deffinitely healed his spirit in ways i couldn't have predicted

 

[ophiuchus]

the fact that "suicidal emos" are being fed this stuff somewhat upsets me.

"emo" is not a class of person, as you and ash suggest. the fact that you even use those words makes me think you guys are still very immature.

i wouldn't be alive now if psychedelics never entered my life.

idk i can't really think of much more to say. does THAT make me "emo"?

 

[ophiuchus]

as far as my advice, i'd up the ante on this:

"If you haven't done lsd, shrooms or mesca, don't do DMT."

and i will go farther and say, if you havent had a MYSTICAL experience on any psychedelic tryptamine (those listed above^) , then DONT DO DMT.

dmt will NOT guide you. that feeling that "you are being controlled" on mushrooms, lsd, whatever means YOU ARE BEING CONTROLLED. not by the substance, by nearly everything else (unnatural) that surrounds you. society has a vice grip on your nuts, and you are allowing, and even helping them, and especially PAYING THEM to tighten it.

that feeling is you sensing the current economic structure, weighing on your soul. DO SOMETHING about it, for fucks sake

 

[IJesusChrist]

...do something about it...


eveything you do, everything I do, can be considered a contribution to your (my) set and setting in the next moment. Your life consists of a continual summation, as you grow older it is harder and harder to change tracks, so you best get on one you like as soon as you can. off topic.

 

[trick]

i dont class people as emo. hence the quotations, i was simply using the example that the user provided. but your input is greatly appreciated.

i dont agree with feeding strong mind altering substances to people who are called "suicidal" by their siblings, call it what you want, but i dont believe immature is the correct term.

 

[MindAsh]

the fact that "suicidal emos" are being fed this stuff somewhat upsets me.

"emo" is not a class of person, as you and ash suggest. the fact that you even use those words makes me think you guys are still very immature.

i wouldn't be alive now if psychedelics never entered my life.

idk i can't really think of much more to say. does THAT make me "emo"?

please don't misquote me, i didn't say emo as in a class of person i meant it quite literally as in over emotional. as for judging my level of maturity don't use a single a statement i made to judge my overall level of maturity.

also as far as feeding a suicidal sibling hallucinogenics it was more or less a last resort after exhausting all other feasible options and knowing my brother as well as i do and his mind i felt rather optimistic and it truly paid off but its not something i would condone anyone else to do. im going on 30 years old and have seen and experienced quite a bit so im pretty secure in my judgment calls

 

[ophiuchus]

im sorry, im not meaning to judge either of you, and definitely dont mean anything of your competency. i agree with both of your stances for the most part, i simply didn't have enough time to elaborate.. i was more in reference to the way you spoke about an "over emotional" human being. i personally just dont really understand how one can see another as overly-emotional in the sense of those words (esp. if you/or anyone else obviously dont/doesn't understand what the problem is). surely somebody like that is troubled for a reason, whether they can communicate why that is or not.
some things stretch beyond our scope.

that is all i mean to point out, not start name calling.

 

[MindAsh]

im sorry, im not meaning to judge either of you, and definitely dont mean anything of your competency. i agree with both of your stances for the most part, i simply didn't have enough time to elaborate.. i was more in reference to the way you spoke about an "over emotional" human being. i personally just dont really understand how one can see another as overly-emotional in the sense of those words (esp. if you/or anyone else obviously dont/doesn't understand what the problem is). surely somebody like that is troubled for a reason, whether they can communicate why that is or not.
some things stretch beyond our scope.

that is all i mean to point out, not start name calling.

fair enough and i should retract using the phrase over emotional, i think more accurately i would have to say there are some out there with extremely wide ranges of emotion but there are some whom im referring to who have such wide ranges but the inability to cope in a positive way with them leading such persons to poor life choices. i don't mean to judge such people I've been one myself many years ago and i think the lesson is for those of us with such abilities to try and help guide those willing to accept guidance so they may integrate their emotional spectrum into something all of us can enjoy and or benefit from. i haven't gotten much sleep lately so my apologies if im wording things badly lol

 

[ophiuchus]

no i agree. and i think that THAT is the angle to approach it from. i think that it's probably of the healthiest ways, to help people like that. feeling cared about unconditionally, and given guidance if open to it, to help alleviate those feelings of capricious* emotions (erratic could be used as a less accurate word) that is

 

[ophiuchus]

...do something about it...


eveything you do, everything I do, can be considered a contribution to your (my) set and setting in the next moment. Your life consists of a continual summation, as you grow older it is harder and harder to change tracks, so you best get on one you like as soon as you can. off topic.

"... as you grow older..." that's not true. it's 'true' if you pissed your time away instead of being in school. it's 'not true' if you branched out and learned different disciplines, the entire time putting them to good use.


i was not off topic, that was simply a complete thought. the only way i see fit, is to explain my reasoning, instead of state an falsely objective answer "NO DONT DO DMT" and back it up with NOTHING.

my advice stands that, if you have not had what one would define as a 'mystical' experience then you SHOULD NOT do dmt. this is because it does not guide you AT ALL the way the others do. if you are truely doing the best you can, then YOUR MIND, and the psychedelic, will not fight you throughout your trip.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I'll disagree - in order to change, you have to make new connections and break old ones.

I will completely agree if your definition of change is just making new connections. Those happen continuosly for our lives, as small, unused neurons change their priorities (excuse my ignorance on the subject) - but to completely break or dismantle old beliefs is very hard, even on psychodelics as we get older. I am speaking from a 20 year old stand point so what the hell do I have to say anyways?

I meant I was off topic, not you.

What I have been doing here, is planting a seed of doubt (lol). That is, I hope the OP in most of these threads, or the new comers, or passer-bys, will read this and not get the picture that "DMT looks fucking SWEET!" Which is how I remember first approaching it. I was thrilled by the thought of the whole universe coming apart - I imagined it would be like watching a movie. That completely disrupts your existance when you realize you're in the movie, and the movie is [for better or for worse] reality.

 

[ophiuchus]

i think our divergence here was due to a drop off in the sentence, so i apologize. you were thinking 'in the brain', and i was thinking 'in the world' in reference to changing tracks, so it's natural that our answers differ, i can see what you mean, but i dont think i agree entirely. anyways..

i think i agree with you're last statement about dmt though. one should definitely approach it skeptically

 

[RussianSEX]

i recommended 3-4 doses of 60-75 , but make sure you experience DMT and get familiar with it befor you go to high doses