How can they?

[GOD]

First we , all the people of the earth , have to see / be shown that we have a problem and that we have an alternative . To do this we have to define the problem = the world is being run for the benefit of a minority by a minority , at the cost of the majority . That the desisions that are being made are not the best for all of us , for nature or for the planet as a whole . That the reason that there are so many problems in the world is because of this and that the problems that we have made because of this can not be solved by carying on doing the same things that we did to make the problems in the first place = the only problem we have are the parasitic governments / power structures we have now = we have to do it differently . The only solution is a fair non political democracy , where desisions are made on the basis of neutral , objective , scientific facts . With the good of all in mind . Where we try one solution and if it doesnt work we have a list of alternatives wich we can try untill we find the best solution .

Second we have to formulate that as simply and as shortly as possible so that every person on the planet can understand it and make their own decision if its right or not = a simple set of reasons why we have the problems we have and a basic bill of rights = a world constitution with simple , obvious rules that everyone can keep and see that they are for the benefit of us all . So that everyone can think about what he wants to do and see easily if it is "legal" / sensible / aceptable . We have to change the education system to produce honest , loving , responsible citizens who are aware of the concequencys of the desisions that they make . We have to free the press so that the news it carrys is not biased , one sided propoganda . We have to change the legal system so that everyone can see that it is just and honest for everyone . So that things are done .......For the people , by the people .

We need a sort of bill of rights / constitution / ten comandments , a statement of intent , a strategy paper . We need to look at world history and see the diferent strugles we have had and study how people tried to solve them with religeous / philosophical rules and political / legal statements and then examin why they failed . Then we must formulate them again as shortly and simply as possible and publish them so that the people of the world can see them and identify themselves with them . So that the powers that be at the moment , or anyone in the future cant deny them or twist them . A what is , why it is and what we can do about it document , an undenyable , unstopable social contract where everybody has a fair and honest chance .

First formulate the new undenyable plan , then spread it untill it carys itself into every ears , hearts and minds of every person on the planet . We have to trust ourselves , believe in ourselves and try to do it . NOW . Every idea has its day and when that day comes nothing can stop it .

VIVA LA REVALUCION . POWER TO THE PEOPLE .

 

[Guest]

meduzz, i don't know what happened, but i completely misread your post. now i re-read all of it, and i wrote the exact same thing. sorry for that.
i don't say we all have a veggie garden, but we can have a very advanced tech society without any harm to the enviroment. if we used the electricity properly, and if superconductors were commonly used, and water was properly used, everyone would benefit. the internet and digital media give us the chance of never using paper again! many things can be done. for example, most cereals thrive in colder climates. so, i see many cereals planted in portugal and spain. why ? because of money. if we only planted the original plants from here, we would have more output and less input: olives, fruit trees, etc.
just an example. making excess effort bothers me very much, and trying to make what people in distant countries make even bothers me more. we cannot live in simbiose between countries, so i doubt it that we will ever be between people.
if everything was made with honesty, my guess is that we would work 3h a day and have plenty of food for everybody, time with out family, and at sundays, we would go to the pharmacy and asked for a 300ug pill of LSD, paid by the goverment. that would be a society in which i would gladly live in. cars wouldn't be needed, because everything was medieval style: you worked down the street, and you lived near your family. everything was near and the city was small. the chicken would walk in the street and you had two or three cats under your bed every time you went to sleep. 8)

 

[random]

Sometimes you wish there was only music... 8)

Instrumental music only. And voice would be used as one instrument as well. And not yelling words

 

[Meduzz]

daytripper,

Yes it could all be wonderfull, after reading Island by Huxley i think that way too.
But there would be a huge change of ideals needed.
Human kind has activated their deathtrap long time ago...
We have locked ourselfs into our system and it will be our doom.

Hey, but at least nature got rid of us then :wink:

 

[random]

Human kind has activated their deathtrap long time ago...
We have locked ourselfs into our system and it will be our doom.

Hey, but at least nature got rid of us then :wink:

I understand , in someway what are you saying.
But I'm sorry to ask you this: if you think that way, why do you study? Isn't that a commodious way of being in life?

 

[buffachino]

As long as you disempower yourself to the complacent ideal of subservience to your fear, you will never be free.

You DON’T have to continue buying back your humanity!
Stop being complacent,
Create your own life,
Just DO IT!!!

Thinking we have it pretty good and that’s good enough for me, why are you complaining, is like telling a caged animal it shouldn’t complain because it is well fed; but it’s still not free.

Trying to survive under restrictions placed on oneself by oneself is like chasing your own tail.

We don’t need a large group or an organised revolution to facilitate change, in thinking so you are just as conditioned as someone who still believes economic domination is valorous development. We already know what we must do; face our fear of the unknown!

I don’t believe people are inherently evil, it is their evil side that is nourished by the society into which they are born, and so are like animals with broken spirits; just doing meaningless tricks to amuse an audience who will feed them.

One cannot be free if one is afraid to be so.
Its time for humanity to grow up and stop being afraid of the dark.

Global consciousness is already there, all one needs to do is stop hiding from it.

And GOD, you say that a society ruled by objective and scientific fact would be the ideal?
Isn’t that just a repackage of what we have now?
Did you forget saying yourself that the only objective fact is personal perception, as I did?
Having standards is restricting humanity by placing barriers that cannot be crossed.
Don’t you see that this is exactly what has put us in this very position?
Ill leave it to you…

Peace.

 

[Meduzz]

...

I understand , in someway what are you saying.
But I'm sorry to ask you this: if you think that way, why do you study? Isn't that a commodious way of being in life?

Nope, not studying and nihilism would be the mechanism how this "doom" affects ME.

I want to get the best out of life, but it isn't all sunshine

 

[random]

You want to get the best (if there is a "best" what ever that means) of life , for you, right?

Well I find that selfish. Don't take it personally, because most people that have on their hands (minds) information that it's really precious, don't give it the deserved credit! And just whant to keep that information and Good News (it's not a new for you, but you should feel how New could that information be to people that have a bandana in their eyes keeping them away from real life, and real experiences, real sensitivity, real energy and the list goes on...) for them, for you, for me. And forget that if they would start spreading The "News"( you and me and them (We/One)) would help healing the other part of you/me/them. Of the One.

To put it clear. What you see, I see! What you feel, I feel! What you ... I .... And I'm not talking about that I feel your girl pussy or your boyfriends dick when you're copolating, or see how it looks your bedroom. I mean in a deeper level! Because we're all in the same bag!

One cannot be free if one is afraid to be so.

That's probably the biggest problem. People don't know what Freedom represents, and are afraid of what it means!
Or.. they think they are free.. ( that I find more challenging to fight back! )


The thing is that culture made us create shells around ourselfs ( ego ), that's why we are afraid of "coming out of the closet" and start fighting the system!
Fighting for what We Believe! We're all in the same path I think! We're all trying to reach the same light! But we can't do it without masses! We can't fight the entire world without other souls, without other energys! We have to start spreading the information! What ever it costs!! Quoting the Pink Floyd song, Echoes: "I am you and what I see is me"

We have to do everything, and I mean everything that it can be reached with our minds and bodys to turn this table!! Scream, give papers with usefull information to people in your killing times, get people that fight the same believes as you, talk about things, go to the streets and just talk to people, explain to them... doing that massevly... People will start o talk about the subject... people Will start questionning things... People Will start viewing the "drugs" with other eyes... because they Will feel what You have to say to them. If you found an Hard-Head? Tell him to go fuck-himself and get a life! Sooner or later, if we talk to decent people, rational people... these hard-heads will figure out that maybe they are wrong. Hard-heads, are hard-headed because they don't know how to be in life, so they just follow. They are easy to get turned. Not by you, but by masses ( and masses is what you can help creating!)


The "time" is running out, the earth is starting to get really angry with our selfish attitudes!

Fight Back as One! We Are One!
We Are!

Revolution!

 

[faithless]

And GOD, you say that a society ruled by objective and scientific fact would be the ideal?
Isn’t that just a repackage of what we have now?
Did you forget saying yourself that the only objective fact is personal perception, as I did?
Having standards is restricting humanity by placing barriers that cannot be crossed.
Don’t you see that this is exactly what has put us in this very position?
Ill leave it to you…

Peace.

I agree with that, but not totally.

I mean, yes, the will of scientifical progress has put us in that position. But when that will came, scientifical progress was nearly at lvl 0. And I would say we are at level 0,5 now. What do we know about what's around us? Very little. We discovered a lot of things, that's true.. But the deep nature of things around us is still a secret for us.
If scientifical progress goes with mind expansion (human did reject a lot of concepts, scientific discoveries have already been made but then rebjected because it was too "new" and people would not understand or accept it), then I think it would be a good society to live in.

This would be for me the opposite of going back to our roots (as partially said in the other posts, about the Huxley book)

 

[Meduzz]

You want to get the best (if there is a "best" what ever that means) of life , for you, right?

Well I find that selfish.

You take it out of context...
How would anyone get better if i didn't study ??

 

[random]

I don't know what do you mean by Study.
But well... I don't study, and I don't whant to study. At least in schools.
I prefer to look for information scources, people to talk with, have experiences, share my believes and experiences, hear peoples critiques and their believes and that's how, I think, we must think. Because we will be more close to each other. We will be more "open" to each other. More lovingly. And ,unavoidably, we Will live, more and more, as One.
There are no more or less special people or complete assholes. We are all special, for what we represent. We represent everything. Because we are everything. Just as the ents that we kill, probably every day, without noticing, are everything. And about hard-heads? We can't blame them. They are the part of us that was caught by a desease, by lies and false believes. And you Can feel it.

One part of us is being slaved, tortured, lied and explored (basically by ego and mind games). Other part of us is dying of slavery, hungry, thirst, cold, deseases, and the list goes on... (Physically mostly) This last one is the reflex of our rush toward... well I can't tell you because I can't feel or see anything that is healing with this values and notions reality.

So my tought is: we have to create a balance... we can't let this degrading situation go on. If you don't agree with it DO SOMETHING. What ever you do! We know what we want to reach (not as an individual, forget that!)!

When we talk about enlightment. The images that pop out of imagination are with the feeling of WE, as One, being enlighted , reaching the light.( If you see only yourself ascending , you are a very very very selfish person! ) And finally understand every single thing that exists (that can be reached though human body).
Well I don't know if this is possible, or what is the light or what does it means or if it even exists such thing. I can't know. But I can feel it. And direct experience is the most Real thing one can have!

So my point is: Don't feed the Machine that leads us to where we are now. And don' get caught in that shit thinking that , my action is not enough to change things. Well what I have to say to people that think like this, and have precious information that can be shared, is: Fuck Yourself! Because you are a part of me that I want to "wake up" and start acting toward something that's, not only, healing for us as a similar beings (human race), but also, and more important, for the healing of the planet and other beings!

What right do we have fucking up this world and don't let ents or anyother form of life, live and make their cicles in ethernity?

Sorry if the english.

 

[Brugmansia]

Just forget about the constant thought that the government is controlling civillians. Yes they are. Those who believe that might is primairly and mainly used to let the ego dominate, examine your third eye and crave for being a control freak.

Absolute powerless won't make someone pure. On the contrary.

If you choose to continue, there's a chance that you're carrying a heavy weighted stone on your neck which makes your existance as a psychonaut depressing.

Fighting for an idealogy within the society, whatever it may be, is known to be as demolishing the community as well the fighting individual itself.

 

[random]

Conspiracy is useless.

Aswell as pretending that nothing is happening to the other part of us (that are being lied, explored, slaved, dying, suffering, etc.. ) won't make one pure. On the contrary.

If you choose to continue, there's a chance that you're carrying a heavy weighted stone on your neck which makes your existance as a psychonaut depressing.

Fighting for an idealogy within the society, whatever it may be, is known to be as demolishing the community as well the fighting individual itself.

First of all, the enviornments outside your country are pretty different. Dealing with other kind of mentality is different than dealing with the people in your country that are much more open to other issues. So try to see things more wide.

I think no one here is worrying ( much ), about politics and governments. As you said "Yes they are". But... we can't just pretend nothing is happening.. and just get loaded, thinking about infinite possibilites of what life can be, feeling one with everything, naping, scratching your ass... while.... people are dying of thirst, hungry, wars, painfull deseases, and so on.

I think I made my opinion about life pretty clear, I think we Are One.
I don't believe in singularities within the human race (body/mind) or other life form ( in our planet ).

My suggestion is not going to the streets yelling for your believes and ideas and make protests. That never worked, and will never work.
I say: Spread information. Spread Truth. Spread Caring and Loving.
Talk with strangers, give them papers with objective information, ear peoples opinions, try to tell them what you think is happening. I don't know... talk with your other You and inform it! And don't think that people will forget what you said, and they don't think about it.. Probably they will even talk with their friends saying "this guy just came to me, embraced me, said that he loved me and then start talking about cannabis.. that is healing and reduces the pain on many states of illness or something like that... Well, he even gave me this paper.."... and the result is? Information Spreading through people...
Is it asking too much just 1 or 2 hours, per week, doing this?

Even the most simple thing... I once read here, from god I think. Just walk to a person, and ask her for a hug and ask, and say it too, that everything is going to be alright.

Be the One.

 

[Brugmansia]

How would you describe my environment? (Netherlands?)

I agree with you though. Our meaning of life lies in contributing support to other lifes that leads to the increase of their happiness and the elevation of their life-quality.

The truth is, following politics and getting confronted with terror in various places in the world under the influence of a substances; increases the shame for being a human like balls, as well as the anger, lack of understanding and lack of compassion of others.

We can pass the torch of enlightment in many ways, through speech, painting, writing etc.

It tends you to push your duty through with fanatism. I guess we all here went through the phase that you were convinced we should fight for all the best in a mobilized way. The 60 hippie culture is a perfect example.

But just don't forget that as psychonaut, you do have a third eye with extremely sensitive vibes. Watch at everything in a transparant way, Spread your observations but don't act on them as in a religious fanatic way.

You need to reduce your awareness from time to time and store it in your mind amoung rest. Otherwise your brain is getting overloaded. And the big ego's indirectly eliminated you.

 

[Forkbender]

Post-9-11 politics is just imperialism showing off.

World ego got a slap in the face and is growing stronger.

 

[random]

I can't describe it, since I never been there. But.. I think people there are, probably, more "open-minded"(?) to many things. And more sensitive to other subjects. Such as those I wrote above. Here in my country, witch is a hard-head country, is a different enviornment.

And yes, I agree with your post.

But as I said "I think no one here is worrying ( much ), about politics and governments".
I'm not. Even if it looks like, I'm not.

But again, 1 our 2 hours per week spreading good information, Spread Caring and Loving or Just walk to a person, and ask her for a hug and ask, and say it too, that everything is going to be alright, hasn't much to do with "Spread your observations but don't act on them as in a religious fanatic way." observation.

 

[Bastiaan]

Trust me, we have come a nice way and we WILL be truely free.
You can all feel it to some extent.
But there is one thing I can't say enough to all of you that are helping ourselves cary us to life the way it was meant to be wich is of course together (hope you don't misinterpret):
Do not underestimate the enemy and his greed, cruelty, ruthlessness, intelligence etc.
Maybe the reasons so many do this or deny the existance of him is it makes one despair, fear and distrust.
But know these emotions are the enemies friend, wich the real deal will undoubtlingly know as well.
All the insights one can have can be used for good or bad, using this dualism only so that the point is easily understandable.
There is something that makes us stronger though, wich I will not discuss any further here, just so you know. Proof is on the horizon.
Do and think new things, for many answers have not yet been found.
And for the sake of progress don't allow our findings to be lost, unshared OR abused.
If you think you might have something that may be able to take us somewhere, those ideas may be just the insights someone else needs to combine with his insights or talents to form something that will really take us somewhere you know?
Also for the sake of everyone but yourself please be safe, we can't afford to lose you!
We cannot do this alone, (wich is ofc a strange sentance for we does not match alone) because we were not meant to.
And I for one don't want to do it alone
Big thanks to spice, GOD and all of you people for being who you are, expanding my mind like my favourite substances can't match, sharing your insights and investing your gifts, energy and lives in a by many ridiculed "idealistic shady imaginary future image".
You are all couragous visionaries if you ask me.

Together we can change everything.
We're just not "together enough" yet.
Divide and rule is real as it gets.