home made tablets?

[malatreboy]

It would be something like 100mg bzp + 30mg FPP...

 

[GOD]

"The combination of BZP and TFMPP has been associated with a range of side effects, including insomnia, anxiety, nausea and vomiting, headaches and muscle aches which may resemble migraine, seizures, impotence, and rarely psychosis, as well as a prolonged and unpleasant hangover effect similar to that produced by alcohol. These side effects tend to be significantly worsened when the BZP/TFMPP mix is consumed alongside alcohol, especially the headache, nausea and hangover.The subjective effects of this combination are often portrayed as being similar to those of MDMA, but actually are quite different, lacking any empathogenic effects. However it is difficult to say how many of these side effects are produced by TFMPP itself, as it has rarely been marketed without BZP also being present, and all of the side effects mentioned are also produced by BZP (which has been sold as a single drug). Studies into other related piperazine drugs such as mCPP suggest that certain side effects such as anxiety, headache and nausea are common to all drugs of this class, and pills containing TFMPP are reported by users to produce comparatively more severe hangover effects than those containing only BZP"


Why not try to get rich by ripping people off selling this in pill form as extacy ??? :-

http://www.psychonaut.com/index.php?opt ... 80&lang=en

 

[malatreboy]

Well,

First I did not mention TFMPP but FPP... Second harry does not want to sell those as extacy. (actually harry did not say he wanted to sell at all...)

Harry himself had trouble enough to get good E, he's been pissed with buying shity stuff... That's actually why he went into piperazine, that's not so good than the real things but at least he always know for sure what he's got.

And the last point but not the least, a lot of people like piperazine and buy them for what they are...

Moreover this would be stupide to sell piperazine as E because piperazine are not registered clearly as drug in most of european countries (unclear status). But the fact of selling them as E would requalified them in E in case of arrestation, so that the dealer would actually be charged with "selling E" whereas he just did piperazine...

So harry thinks that God's last sentance was a bit unjustified and offencive...

Why you always, guys in drug forums, think that everybody wants to rip off everybody else? Don't you know that riping of is not the best business strategy...

 

[spice]

I'll address that one, if I may, GOD.....


First, piperazines are crap.

Once you press them, and they leave your hands, they WILL be passed off as ecstasy, to some poor unsuspecting trusting person, who will feel like shit and wonder why you did that to them.

Generally, a person wants to press a pill=for commercial reasons, because it's just about impossible to cut a pressed pill, thus it is the preferred method of bulk retailers.

CApsules are easy to cut, and when the trust isn't there ( and it NEVER is when you're selling to strangers) they will always be tampered with.

 

[malatreboy]

Pressing is also a way of reducing oxydation when stored... That's actually the purpose harry is following: good storage.

 

[GOD]

What are TFMPP and FPP ? What do the initials stand for ?

" he's been pissed with buying shity stuff"

Because the E he has been buying was not E , it was probably the shit you are talking about .

"And the last point but not the least, a lot of people like piperazine and buy them for what they are"

I have never seen or heard of anybody privately selling Piperazine pills , or of people who sell false pills saying what they realy contain .

"Moreover this would be stupide to sell piperazine as E because piperazine are not registered clearly as drug in most of european countries (unclear status). But the fact of selling them as E would requalified them in E in case of arrestation, so that the dealer would actually be charged with "selling E" whereas he just did piperazine"

When they sell the shit you are talking about they will not be able to sell so much or sell it for so much if they tell people exactly what they are selling . And as you say the status is unclear so it would probably not make any diference , police are police , court is court . If you cant buy pills containing the shit you are talking about openly in shops in the country you live in it is illegal . If you can then it would make no sense in making pills .

"Why you always, guys in drug forums, think that everybody wants to rip off everybody else? Don't you know that riping of is not the best business strategy"

One doesnt have to have much experience or have much brains to see that very many people asking questions in forums are trying to find methods of making quick money and play ego games pretending to be dealers . And the person who rips off doesnt think about the true consequencys , he thinks about the money . The people that sold you the bad E didnt give a shit did they ?

" Pressing is also a way of reducing oxydation when stored... That's actually the purpose harry is following: good storage."

Mix it with water so that one dose is a tea spoonfull and store in a fridge . Or use capsules , or as powder in closed , air free plastic bags in an air tight bottle in a fridge .

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