Home-grown mushs, still legal in Netherlands

[adoma]

Users of magic mushrooms can continue their use, as long as they cultivate it themselves.
According to the Public Prosecutor, is the prohibition "primairely focused" on the commercial cultivation and its sales. Smartshops and users in Amsterdam don't have to be concerned, because Mayor Cohen is not yet going to maintain this new law.

"Paddogebruikers kunnen doorgaan met de consumptie van de hallucinerende paddenstoelen, zolang ze die maar zelf kweken.
Volgens het Openbaar Ministerie is het verbod ‘primair gericht’ op bedrijfsmatige kweek en verkoop. Amsterdamse verkooppunten en gebruikers hoeven zich voorlopig helemaal geen zorgen te maken, want burgemeester Cohen gaat voorlopig niet handhaven."




ref: http://www.ad.nl/binnenland/2815681/Ver ... thuis.html

 

[MelloTrip]

That's "good" news.

 

[user_1919]

Better news I guess. Doesn't matter for me as I don't live in Amsterdam, but you people that do can still have access to this great substance without having to go through the street bullshit.

peace & love

 

[adoma]

it's good news, but a stupid idea.
I mean, i cultivate mushrooms 8) , BUT stilll the potency of my mushies has still been unpredictable.
Ok they're rather weak compared to the mushies from the smartshop, but i dunked it once and created such a huge mush, with such a potency, that the person who ated, couldn't remember his trip after that!

Besides if i didn't know who cultivated mushies, how would i get them?
Through "friends" or eventually the strange man on the corner, who probably know too little or nothing of mycology...

It's ok that Mayor Cohen is kinda revolting, because he's kinda a rolemodel among mayors.
I read today that the mayor of Eindhoven is also not yet maintaining the new law.
But it's bullshit! because, where are the shops gonna get the mushrooms? commercial cultivation is prohibited and controlled...

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

But it's bullshit! because, where are the shops gonna get the mushrooms? commercial cultivation is prohibited and controlled...

Hmmm, where have I heard this before?

 

[adoma]

Hmmm, where have I heard this before?

So you hear the voices too?.... :lol:

 

[Ketter]

BUT stilll the potency of my mushies has still been unpredictable.

But thats only a problem if you don't want a full trip. Otherwise, just double the dose and you are good to go and don't have to worry about potency

 

[adoma]

But thats only a problem if you don't want a full trip. Otherwise, just double the dose and you are good to go and don't have to worry about potency

ok and lets say you start to trip soooooo hard, you can't remember shit about the trip?
Why would i waste twice the money on twice the dose, if i could have had quality for the normal amount of money?

Sounds like a waste of time (and money) to me...

I mean, i take the trip, because i want to know what the trip wants tells me.

 

[Ketter]

Waste of money is no issue for me since I grow since almost 15 years so I really don't think in terms of money in relation to my trips. Tripping to hard that you don't remember is something that I can't imagine. Au contrary, the trips I remember best and most clear from the past 15 years are one on 140 grams fresh, and one on 120 grams fresh (the latter had me turn my diet into vegan and it has been for the past 18 months so yes, I do these things to learn too ). Trips I seem to have forgotten, are those just over psychedelic treshold or 'almost there but not just yet'. That to me, is a waste of time but thats personal.

My point being related to the potency issue, if your aim is a full blown psilocybine experience you can count on such an experience if you consume between 60 and 80 grams fresh. If on the other hand, your aim is a trip where you still have some sense of control (for me that feels like one leg there, one leg here and I find it frustrating), its much more difficult to get the dose right because of the difference in potency between flushes of the same strain. So one batch you would take 30 grams and get what you want, the other batch you take the same amount and just feel mild stomach arousal. Then next time you maybe decide to take 40 grams to get there and low and behold, you get the maximum (or close effect) which you didn't want. The diference in intensity of experience is far greater with low doses, as compared to high doses. If you are comfortable with avarage doses of 60 grams freshs, you will be just as comfortable with doses of 80 grams fresh. If however you are comfortable with 30 grams fresh, 50 grams fresh could freak you out and give you an experience you never imagined was possible.

A large survey has been done on shroomery.org a few years back where they asked thousands of people about their use of shrooms, dosage etc. It turned out that over 80% of all users, never come close to a full psilocybine experience in their entire life since the maximum dose those users ever had, did not exceed 35 grams fresh.

This amazed me personally but it makes sense in understanding how it is that there are still so many people who claim psilocybin is only a minor psychedelic and much less potent and visual as compared to LSD. Those people are in for a really cool surprise once they realize 250mics of acid < 80 grams of fresh shrooms

Growing yourself is the way to discover this

 

[mysticwarrior]

Waste of money is no issue for me since I grow since almost 15 years so I really don't think in terms of money in relation to my trips. Tripping to hard that you don't remember is something that I can't imagine. Au contrary, the trips I remember best and most clear from the past 15 years are one on 140 grams fresh, and one on 120 grams fresh (the latter had me turn my diet into vegan and it has been for the past 18 months so yes, I do these things to learn too ). Trips I seem to have forgotten, are those just over psychedelic treshold or 'almost there but not just yet'. That to me, is a waste of time but thats personal.

I love to hear that people turn vegan because of psychedelic experiences. I see definably a relation between psychedelics and being/becoming vegan.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I love to hear that people turn vegan because of psychedelic experiences. I see definably a relation between psychedelics and being/becoming vegan.

I don't. You can find examples, but it isn't a general tendency. I don't even believe it applies to becoming a vegetarian, even though I became a vegetarian around the same time as I started doing psychedelics. But psychedelics were by no means the only factor: vegetarianism was discussed in the 'spiritual' books I read, a New Age community I had visited was also vegetarian, etc. Vegetarianism is popular in Hindu and yoga circles, in hippie communities, amongst people who squat, at psychedelic festivals and conferences... In other words: the psychedelic community encourages vegetarianism and veganism. Sooner or later you're going to get that message, either during a trip, before it, or even long after it.

Becoming a vegetarian is self-evidently the healthiest and most ecological thing to do, especially if you hang around vegetarians for a while or you read their books, the decision doesn't require one to have a mystical or psychedelic experience. It's simply one of those prevalant ideologies of the psychedelic movement ever since the '60s: stop eating meat, become a vegetarian.

Perhaps veganism should be discussed separately, because compared to vegetarianism it places more emphasis on ideology, and less emphasis on nutrition, which may or may not be compensated with vegan food supplements. From an orthomolecular viewpoint it must be said the vegan requires a number of rather expensive food supplements. Unless the vegan uses these on a daily basis, he is seriously compromising the long-term health of his nervous system, and those of their children. That's the reason why I don't think there is a link between the psychedelic experience and veganism. It's the things you hear, read and believe about veganism that makes you go in that direction, not psychedelics.

 

[Ketter]

Perhaps veganism should be discussed separately, because compared to vegetarianism it places more emphasis on ideology, and less emphasis on nutrition, which may or may not be compensated with vegan food supplements.

I don't agree, I was vegetarian and became vegan because dairy is just not healthy. Not every vegan is so cause of ideology. For example, many vegans won't eat eggs, I don't eat eggs produced commercially but have no problem with the eggs from a friends chickens which run around his property just enjoying life.

Nutrition is a non issue once you get down what you need to replace animal products for someone on a vegan diet, you can find everything you need in plant based food. Too bad we have this other stupid drug law on yet another sacred plant, coca. This plant contains more protein than meat and more calcium than milk and can easily compete with ANY other plant for nutitious value.

As for people becoming vegetarian from a mushroom trip, that's something that happens more than you suggest here. It's a real thing although it's no guarantee that it will happen to you. In relation to my own experience, it's related to a place which is described in many religious and spiritual texts and which I could not imagine how it would be until I got there, but once I got there there was no doubt at all that this was it. Coming back from that place, I just was vegetarian and shortly after vegan. None of this was part of the trip itself by the way.

This is a chicken/egg question (no pun intended):

Are spiritual texts suggesting that vegan/vegatarian is the way to go and is that why we have these realisations in our mystical experiences? Or do spiritual texts just describe what people generally learn during these experiences. I think it's the latter, in my personal experience it's a sure thing.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I agree with that.

There's indeed quite a difference between eating animals hunted in the wild (as all our ancient ancestors did) and mass producing and slaughtering them for the dairy and meat industries. I think vegetarianism became linked to spiritual insight relatively recently (say, 5000 years ago), with the rise of agriculture and big cities.

 

[mysticwarrior]

Nutrition is a non issue once you get down what you need to replace animal products for someone on a vegan diet, you can find everything you need in plant based food. Too bad we have this other stupid drug law on yet another sacred plant, coca. This plant contains more protein than meat and more calcium than milk and can easily compete with ANY other plant for nutitious value.

Thanks for that info, i didn't know this.

As for people becoming vegetarian from a mushroom trip, that's something that happens more than you suggest here. It's a real thing although it's no guarantee that it will happen to you. In relation to my own experience, it's related to a place which is described in many religious and spiritual texts and which I could not imagine how it would be until I got there, but once I got there there was no doubt at all that this was it. Coming back from that place, I just was vegetarian and shortly after vegan. None of this was part of the trip itself by the way.

I went go trough almost the same process as you describe here above. But i had friends around me who where vegetarian and vegans. So i already had thought about it. But i think the mushrooms have pulled me over the line, not only with becoming a vegan, but it changed my life radically in many ways.

There's indeed quite a difference between eating animals hunted in the wild (as all our ancient ancestors did) and mass producing and slaughtering them for the dairy and meat industries. I think vegetarianism became linked to spiritual insight relatively recently (say, 5000 years ago), with the rise of agriculture and big cities.

The mass production of meat and milk etc, is one of my main reasons. But i also became vegan, because of the knowledge that there are enough alternatives for meat. I can't stand the idea that animals are killed just for food pleasure.

I think where a little off-topic now

 

[maxfreakout]

so are the Amsterdam smartshops still selling shrooms then? It didnt seem they were from the news video that CM posted :?:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

No, the shops are not selling them anymore, not even under the counter.

 

[Sticki]

Home Cultivation for personal consumption sounds fair to me, I wish they would allow such laws in Britain. :lol:

 

[Jahvisions]

I hope it's true, the same should actually be done with marihuana. No commercial business for these sacred plants. Just a little natural homegrown for own use for the serious psychonauts.

 

[maxfreakout]

No, the shops are not selling them anymore, not even under the counter.

so what does it mean that "Smartshops and users in Amsterdam don't have to be concerned, because Mayor Cohen is not yet going to maintain this new law."?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

No, the shops are not selling them anymore, not even under the counter.

so what does it mean that "Smartshops and users in Amsterdam don't have to be concerned, because Mayor Cohen is not yet going to maintain this new law."?

Well, news reports showed that smartshops didn't sell them anymore, but it may have been that they were simply out of them because people were buying them in mass quanitities the weekend before. And at that time, this news item about Amsterdam had not circulated yet. It may very well be that some shops are selling them again.

I hope it's true, the same should actually be done with marihuana. No commercial business for these sacred plants. Just a little natural homegrown for own use for the serious psychonauts.

You can't claim plants, not even for being sacred. What you're suggesting sounds like another form of religious control.