Hallucinating music

[Spores]

Funny Fluid, there is a room like that in the Escher museum in The Hague, Holland.
You can take a picture with somebody who is smaller then you.
If you walk past it and look at it your eyes and brain start to feel weird

 

[magickmumu]

punk music ?

 

[FluidDruid]

Funny Fluid, there is a room like that in the Escher museum in The Hague, Holland.
You can take a picture with somebody who is smaller then you.
If you walk past it and look at it your eyes and brain start to feel weird

Awesome!!! I am working on constructing a room like this in my garage.

 

[Forkbender]

Funny Fluid, there is a room like that in the Escher museum in The Hague, Holland.
You can take a picture with somebody who is smaller then you.
If you walk past it and look at it your eyes and brain start to feel weird

Awesome!!! I am working on constructing a room like this in my garage.

The things people come up with these days! Windows, Google, now this!

 

[Nomada]

Alright this is why: Higher developed countries have an industriliazed modern society, where technology is great. Cities are driven on marketing, marketing is driven on patterns, slogans, jingles.... strong neuro pathways to the inference problem! People from tribes of remote places are "Immune" to 99.9 percent of all optical illusions that can EASILY fool any city-dweller.

If it's true, then conversively, people from cities on high-density population places are "Immune" to 99.9 percent of all optical illusions that can EASILY fool any "nature-dweller". I don't see any reason why the density of "strong neuro pathways" of ALL types would be higher on market-driven environments. I agree on, partly, that marketing bombardment in a developed country is higher by far. But those "patterns, slogans and jingles" are just one particular form of strong neuro pathways [say, human-produced with market interest in the scenario of past-paced everyday technology], from millions of millions of patterns, illusions, that produce unconscious conditioning. Few places have I seen on my entire life that have the density of sensitive complexity as a tropical forest may have.
I don't think its got to do with the sensible form of the patterns, but rather with meaning ascribed to any sensitive complexity that generates the "pattern" concept in the consciousness-that may be a tree or an ad.

Also, doesn't practice make perfect? LOL! I love my baked pearls of wisdom.

Also, practice may hinge your ability to adapt to new changes. A human that spent his 15 first years of existence alone in a dark room will have produced a completely different meaning of the word darkness. Human are creatures of habit and thus, no-sensitive complexity is just a particular accident of sensitive complexity-this is even not the case with the overwhelming existence of any nature environment. I have been bent on my knees, crying in absoluteness, in the dark of a forest.

 

[st.bot.32]

Alright this is why: Higher developed countries have an industriliazed modern society, where technology is great. Cities are driven on marketing, marketing is driven on patterns, slogans, jingles.... strong neuro pathways to the inference problem! People from tribes of remote places are "Immune" to 99.9 percent of all optical illusions that can EASILY fool any city-dweller.

If it's true, then conversively, people from cities on high-density population places are "Immune" to 99.9 percent of all optical illusions that can EASILY fool any "nature-dweller". I don't see any reason why the density of "strong neuro pathways" of ALL types would be higher on market-driven environments. I agree on, partly, that marketing bombardment in a developed country is higher by far. But those "patterns, slogans and jingles" are just one particular form of strong neuro pathways

The city-dwellers, exposed to media from birth, have the ability to parse time-based media in a way that some guy in the jungle may not. So this is partially correct--as time-based media is very much an optical illusion in itself.

As for optical illusions in general, this is a feature (not a bug ) of the human brain that has always been there as long as humans have been around. In the words of Aristotle, "Each sense has one kind of object which it discerns, and never errs in reporting that what is before it is color or sound. Although, it may err as to what it is that is colored or where it is, or what it is that is sounding, or where it is."

Of course, aristotle would probably have put an addendum on that had he attended the Mysteries as did Plato (assuming they took psychedelics at the Mysteries): "We must perceive objects through the senses but with the mind"

 

[Nomada]

this is a feature (not a bug)

+1.41

 

[FluidDruid]

Im confused, you've repeated what I've said just with some more supporting evidence? If I touched on everything leading to what I've said I would of had written a novel by now. My posts are going to have to be much longer from now on I suppose.

I understand that I am making bold claims, but do understand I would not post anything that I could not back up with firm solid proof.

I didnt say anything about any Bugs, I do not believe that our minds are programs nor that the brain is a computer, nor any of the associated. In fact I am studying right now to FIGHT that.

Im in an odd Mood so I apologize in advance if I am coming off rude, I do not intend to.

EDIT: If you live in a round mud hut and all buildings are round mud huts would you perceive the illusion differently?

 

[Nomada]

FuildDruid, I, particularly, have agreed to almost everything you've said. Only the part of the "higher developed" countries bugged me a little bit.

but do understand I would not post anything that I could not back up with firm solid proof.

I cannot, and will not, assume anything.

If you live in a round mud hut and all buildings are round mud huts would you perceive the illusion differently?

Exactly, "the same vs. the strange" dynamics.

 

[paint]

Im confused,

me too

I didnt say anything about any Bugs, I do not believe that our minds are programs nor that the brain is a computer, nor any of the associated. In fact I am studying right now to FIGHT that.

not that our brains are computers, but the idea of programs as far as patterns which we stick to most of the time to conserve energy applies. at least most of the time, certainly the brain is more than that, and must be able to go beyond said patterns whether induced with psychedelics or thought or meditation or what have you. but i would love to hear your thoughts, and hear how exactly you are fighting this concept.

EDIT: If you live in a round mud hut and all buildings are round mud huts would you perceive the illusion differently?

i still dont understand why people in a media based society would have more susceptability to visual puzzles from your argument. i would say that native cultures living in natural landscapes would have more stimulation on every sense than city dwellers confronted with simulacrum. but is that what you are saying already? very confused, particularly about this mud hut thing, it seems to me, the more same things are, the more differences are easily perceived. but sensitivity to subtlety is my whole gig as an artist. so am i re capping you again or what?

in one of my classes my professor brought up the idea that if you show a tribal person a realist painting with vanishing point perspective, they are confused and dont recognize that the small people are farther away than the big ones. im not sure about this claim, but it is interesting. ideas of perspective in painting and drawing are generally thought of as a progression from symbol like cave drawings through flat space to deep space using perspective, but i think this assumption is inherently wrong.

there are side branches like chinese scrolls where incredibly long scenes are painted in several perspectives, giving mixed messages about the angle you are viewing from, and using things we would consider optical illusions. but yet its not that their understanding is wrong, it is focusing on different aspects, and showing multiple perspectives at once may be more advanced and more real than standard western perspective.

whew...
what say you?

 

[ob-noxious]

that sounds really interesting...
could you name a few artists/pieces of the multi-perspective style mentioned?

 

[paint]

wang hui is the artist i'm thinking of. i couldn't find an image, but you can read a little review of a movie done on it here:

http://movies.nytimes.com/movie/12631/A ... a/overview

there may be an image but like it says the scroll is 72 feet long and about 2 feet high so a little hard to photograph heh

:retard:

 

[FluidDruid]

"tribal person a realist painting with vanishing point perspective, they are confused and dont recognize that the small people are farther away than the big ones" Exactly, there are different types of illusions, I was talking about a different type, but you nailed what I was saying with a better analogy, I have heard this too I had just forgot thanks.

People on the cutting edge of science today are fundamental reductionalist materialists. Meaning they believe that the mind is just a long list of brain states that can be reduced to some physical level. What that means is that they are attempting to abolish the soul from your body! Not that you will necessarily believe it, but they are trying really hard to prove that we are a total chance, and that there is no Human spirit and just a consequence of patterns of neuronal firing to explain our minds, and subjective experience. Just study philosophy of mind and you'll know where I am coming from. How am I fighting this? I am taking descartes method of doubt and tweaking it a bit. I think that immature mankind has made too many assumptions taking some very fundamental things for granted, and if you don't agree; take a look at Quantum Mechanics For what this field holds has the power to redefine YOUR ENTIRE EXISTENCE Read about Bishop Barkeley, a great philosopher from Ireland, who saw Science and spirituality splitting and tried to stop it.

 

[FluidDruid]

Back on topic:

Visual hallucination:

Midgrade has been reallllly dry around where I am. I finally aquired some after a lot of hassle. I had very very poor quality and had been using for a week. I smoke 2 1/2 bowls out of my sherlock holmes glass pipe. I get an extremely intense head high, no body buzz whatsoever. Matter of fact the most longest intense head high I have ever had. Everytime I smoke it, I get the same results. I've had others try, and dont report what I am reporting. I feel as if I had taken a small dose of mushrooms. I am extremely confused as to why this is. I wasn't going to post about it, but: I was lying in bed and hooked up my mp3 player to listen to some triphop. Everytime I would move my mp3 player with its LED screen visible, it would have a LONG tracer! Like a snake following every movement. These last so long I can actually point out to how far I was taking the motion, effectively measuring it. I am assuming this has something to do with my rhodopsin, and I assume it is being bleached out leaving these tracers in my peripheral vision. Which to me doesn't sound like a good thing. i.e. You look at the sun too long and look away only to see a bleached orb in your vision, until you close your eyes or look away to regain your photocolor pigment in your cone and rod receptor sites. Also, I feel as if the ground beneath me is not stable, and feel as if I am floating around? Threw me into quite a panic at first. Went meditating out in a heavily wooded area, only to feel way higher! I peak for 2-3 Hours!

EDIT: http://www.cnn.com/2004/HEALTH/01/11/ma ... cise.reut/

Maybe the combination of "Runners High" and a good strain? I just started riding 15 miles a day to school and back. Fits the time frame.