God

[user_1919]

I am sure this has been discussed somewhere here on the forum, but I would like to ask you a simple question: Do you believe in God? Why or why not? Do you believe in a certain type of religion to access that "God". I am curious to the different beliefs amount psychonauts. My personal belief is that God does exist. But he is far different than what people here on earth describe. I believe God doesn't have an image, rather is felt and not seen. I have had some mystical experiences with Psilocybin Mushrooms where I felt the oneness of everything, and this is what I have interperted as "God", because it is the closest I have ever been with the divine. The Mushrooms introduced me to something mystical that one can actually experience rather than install their 'experience' in beliefs. I am not starting this thread to bring up arguement, only would like the know the beliefs amoung psychonauts.

PEACE & LOVE

 

[Razor29]

God is a a concept best left to others

how funny people fallow a stupid notion that this GOD created Earth and man kind

While Mankind will destroy all life just looking for this so called GOD

religion is for people who dont want to bother with the real world or facts they just want a big blanket of lies to cover them through out their lives so they can live them closed minded and ignorant of life

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Threads about God, scriptures and environmental issues tend to become at least 10 pages long. I wonder what will happen with this one.

Everything in this world is arranged so magically, but I don't think the word God should be used to describe anything within it. I may be "God", but far from the western sense of the term. So I'd rather just stick with "I am me", a particular point of view in the vastness of creation. Even during trips I try to avoid the megalomania of thinking I'm the Creator of all that is. I'm just a particular viewpoint experiencing the world, and so is everyone else. We all dance together in some sort of harmony, which some like to call God.

 

[GOD]

"how funny people fallow a stupid notion that this GOD created Earth and man kind "

You are talking about your picture of god and what you think people mean when they talk about god .

Must peoples ideas of god have anything to do with religeon ?

 

[Mara]

For me there is no God that judges people, to send them to heaven or hell, God does not have opinions, God does not prefer a certain kind of food on his altar, or a certain prayer, or a religion, and God does not make virgins pregnant.

IMO God is the judgement, the reality we create, love and hate, the cosmos, earth, the moldy sandwich at the bottom of your kitchen bin. God is not only our life force, but also the absence of it. God is.

Meditation and psychoactive plants help to experience this better, but aren’t the solution of finding him. Seeking is unnecessary, because for me, God is already here.

 

[Razor29]

just because the world order is beyond us does not mean their a grand desiner of power behind us we just live in synergy i mean look at plants they haver perfect shapes and forms that would take me years just to draw does that mean theirs a god ! no it means i cant draw

NO GOD! stop using childish ways to save you own thoughts of mortality!

come to Israel or Iran or any very religious country and see for you self how much God their is

 

[st.bot.32]

Yeah, 10 pages indeed. I can't answer this question with a sound bite. Here goes..

I don't really believe in an anthropomorphic god, like what exists in most organized religions. But I still have a sense of god, perhaps as a process..

I felt the presence of "god" on a mescaline trip. Just the feeling that all these vast processes spanning aeons in the universe such as the formation of matter, galaxies, stars, planets, amino acids etc combined to ultimately form the immediate processes of consciousness and awareness, and in this sense the universe could be called god. Processes spanning billions of years giving rise to a phenomenon which is felt purely in the moment. In this sense I began to feel during the trip that the universe itself was the ultimate organism.

Really though, that is more of a metaphorical stance than a literal stance.

However the mere fact that the universe can create life, intelligence and self-awareness is enough to dissuade me from being purely athiest, which I think I was at one point. It has nothing to do with the complexity or the unknown and everything to do with the existence of intelligence. If our universe can give birth to one intelligent species, who knows what else exists out there, even outside our universe, other quantum realities?

So in this sense I guess I am agnostic.

We know a lot more about the universe than we used to. Even if we manage to look beyond the initial stages of the big bang (at the moment we don't know exactly what happened at the beginning, only a bit after the big bang got going) , even if we know what happened before the big bang, it doesn't answer the ultimate "why" or how all this stuff just happens to be here.

So I guess I believe in "god" in some sort of sense, that "god" represents the quest for an ultimate answer to existence. Or perhaps "God" in the sense of Einstein's god.

(And on the subject of an intelligent god, my first question to such a being would probably be along the lines of "how did you get here?" I wonder how surprised or disappointed I would be at the answer)

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

does not mean their a grand desiner of power behind us we just live in synergy i mean look at plants they haver perfect shapes and forms that would take me years just to draw does that mean theirs a god !

True, but even though we can now explain to some extent how these forms are shaped by nature (through the "programming language" of the DNA alphabet), how this came to be remains a mystery, especially because the extremely complicated DNA molecule seems to have predated the development of the first organisms inhabiting our planet.

 

[st.bot.32]

every process in the universe follows some kind of pattern that we can call an effect, a force or a law.

carbon atoms combine easily to form organic compounds. enough so that we expect to find amino acids on distant moons in the solar system.

it seems that the conditions required to create life are practically encoded into the universe.

(this still doesn't tell us where it all comes from of course)

 

[Forkbender]

Yes

 

[BrainEater]

well if you knew you were god you wouldn't search for god.

if you didn't know you were god, but you would search him, then you would most probably not find him.

if you knew where your life came from, you would know you were god.

if you had the impression that you knew where your life came from, you could have the impression to somehow be connected to god or be a part of it.


"god" doesn't exist, if you stick to the most common definition that people give the idea to which they attach this word. or at least not the classical god which is said to be "god" or "the god" which is normally referred to as good, almighty, infinitely merciful, infintely powerful, infinitely intelligent, infinitely just, etc. :mrgreen:



i can tell you the image that is created by some people (ironically many times that's christians or similar monotheistic groups) to which they refer to as "god" is blasphemic, simply because they even cross multiple commandments, so how could you ever believe someone who crossed the rules of his own religion and he told you, you should believe in HIS god which is the only "true" god.



yeah: you couldn't do it, because you would probably betray your own god by joining his god and therefore worshipping his god or worshipping his god more than your god?


but then.... if the real god existed referred to as almighty, infitely good, existant-on-all-planes-of-existance etc. then the ONLY POSSIBLE reason why you couldn't join the other religion would be that you didn't want to join it.

so i find it kind of sad that the "church" which is supposed to represent this god, mostly doesn't represent this god anymore. but the sad thing is that the people that "are" the church don't represnt this god anymore, because they forgot what/who/where their god really is. i mean it's not all of 'em but many... the sad thing is that i noticed that even the church works against itself and the conclusion to that would be that it would have become stained and therefore unholy and therefore separated from god.

Moreover it is also sad, that the church has many times in history not represtented this god, but then you can't really say "The Church" fucked it up, because it's the people which were part of the church that acted like ass-holes towards other people however " their most important prophet " (jesus) pointed out that the most important thing would be to care about the "love for one's fellow's men" in order to practise "brotherly love" and "charity" towards their "brothers".


i don't say god exists, but i say if you want to find god, then better expect to find god or maybe you'll find something that claims to be god which is not in all cases to be set equal to god.

the most classical "enemy" of god is said to be "lucifer", which means the LightBringer. maybe there's not such huge gap between those two fractions god and satan.

they are both conceptions of the human mind and therefore prone to "errors" if you look at these concepts objectively.


so better find out for yourself or let someone tell you about it, from whom you presume he knows in order to avoid being deluded.

i can't really personally say, that i believe in god. i can say though that i believe in love. if i had to define god i would define it by another word which would be love.


PEACE :weedman:

 

[Forkbender]

Images are archetypes.

 

[st.bot.32]

@Braineater

What I find so interesting too is that when you read the "why god exists" arguments that so many churches use, they will frequently talk about the grandeur and complexity of the universe and life.

Much like we have done in this thread.

Then they will make a sudden leap in logic that BECAUSE the universe is so complex, THEIR church's god is obviously the one that created it, and their's is the only "true" god. It is like you have to swallow the whole pill if you buy even a part of the argument.

And many people do.

 

[BrainEater]

yeah but hopefully you decide yourself which pill you swallow, which would be exactly my point.

 

[GOD]

" does that mean theirs a god !"

Why should it ? Again you are talking about your idea of what god is .

"NO GOD! stop using childish ways to save you own thoughts of mortality! "

Dont project things on me , again . You dont know what i think because you havent asked and i havent told you .

Is god a him ?

 

[BrainEater]

For me there is no God that judges people, to send them to heaven or hell, God does not have opinions, God does not prefer a certain kind of food on his altar, or a certain prayer, or a religion, and God does not make virgins pregnant.

so how could maria give birth to jesus if she was a virgin?????????? :weedman:

 

[????????]

there are as many gods as people on this planet. Everyone creates its own.

 

[Psychoid]

God is an old man with a beard that is sitting in the sky on a cloud trone. He sent his son Jesus on earth to save us all, but we didn't understand and killed him.

But God doesn't exist.

If you really feel the need to call something God, then it would be the universe.

But why look for something that was created by the human mind? oO

 

[Subtle_Nod]

For me there is no God that judges people, to send them to heaven or hell, God does not have opinions, God does not prefer a certain kind of food on his altar, or a certain prayer, or a religion, and God does not make virgins pregnant.

so how could maria give birth to jesus if she was a virgin?????????? :weedman:

Mary would have been roughly 13 when she gave birth. It's not the done thing for unmarried 13 year olds to have children unmarried. That likely results in death. Even today in some countries.

Would a 13 year old say God had sex with them to avoid being stoned to death? I think a thirteen year old would say anything.

There is no proof that Mary was a virgin, only that she said she was.The bible isn't proof - it recounts what she said.

Also, if Jesus was born in December, why were shepherds out?

My main gripe with Theistic religions is the atrocities they will commit to make everyone else believe how LOVING their God is. Yes, yes, they aren't all like that blah blah. Look to history and all the RELIGIOUS CONFLICTS.

God used to send plagues, part the red sea - now, nothing. Why?

Did he care more about people in the past? Not likely. What's more likely that if he does exist (don't get too wound up on "he") he wouldn't interfere.

The problem with the RELIGIOUS God is most things are arbitrary.

Jesus needed to die for our sins so that people could go to heaven. Does anyone truly believe that God could have absolute power and STILL need to create a child on a small rock in the middle of nowhere JUST so that child could die a HORRIBLY PAINFUL death so that he could invite people INTO HIS OWN HOUSE.

My friends visit me all the time, I've never needed to sacrifice my first born.

It's just silly!

If God knew everything, he would have knew BEFORE HE CREATED ADAM AND EVE that they would SIN. Therefor, he may have well have created them TO sin. They couldn't not Sin, God knew they would Sin before he created them. Why would he create them, knowing it was 100%, inescapable that they would do something he didn't want them to(he told them not to, they did, but he would have knew that anyway) and then punish them for it?!

In fact, before I was born, God would have complete, 100% knowledge of my every thought and action - if God then, seeing those actions allowed me to be born - and I did something "bad" or "evil" like... I don't know... became an axe murderer, God must have saw that coming. It's God's fault. Christians would send ME to hell for God's mistake?

In the past when I say something along these lines people say "You have free will". I say - unless God has IMPERFECT KNOWLEDGE than my freewill can ONLY do exactly what he already KNOWS I will do and HAS KNOWN FOREVER even BEFORE he created the PLANET. That means GOD CREATED THE PLANET KNOWING I WOULD MURDER PEOPLE WITH AN AXE.

I had no choice in the matter, from the first moment when God created time EVERYTHING would just be following a path that was PLANNED by God (because God could have created the world with Islands in different places, etc, and he would have full knowledge of what people would be doing *now* based on the configurations he chose) meaning that NOTHING ANYONE COULD EVER DO deserves ANY KIND OF PUNISHMENT, meaning that if Christians ARE right and Hell DOES EXIST, then God is nothing short of a .

I think that pretty much gets rid of any religion with a God and a punishment if you do things wrong - everyone would just be acting out God's plan - why would a SANE and LOVING and JUST God punish MILLIONS and MILLIONS of people for following a path that he put them on?

So, what is left?

 

[Forkbender]

^ You take things waaaaaaaaaay too literally. Don't believe the bible/koran/vedas/what have you, search for the eternal truths within it. It is not a physical or metaphysical game. It is part of a psychological understanding of humanity.