Genes and size of tricho boyz

[Goran.Hrsak]

I have received from my friend who was waiters on cruiser and for his vocation has took 'a PERU for his destination'. And there he has cut from one big bush of cacti Peruvianus. This was catting from 2m large cacti bush and when I got it cacti was 18cm in diameter. One whole year was suspended for it to leave roots. And now in one year his height was 18cm longer. I am cacti grower but I do not know this:
Is this cacti more potent than Dam ones or from other city in Europe cause his genes are from Peru soil and is producing more alkaloids than Europe ones cause it was cutting from 2 meters top cacti!!!
What you pychonauts thinks? :?: 8) :wink:

 

[Jahvisions]

I think that it doesn't matter that much. Of course you can have interindividual variences but I guess that the environment and age is the biggest factor for its potency

 

[Jahvisions]

I think that it doesn't matter that much. Of course you can have interindividual variences but I guess that the environment and age is the biggest factor for its potency

 

[skoeip]

well, the cacti from europe are from peru, becaus they do not natively grow here, so their genes are also from peru, so the gene thing is not a big factor in this case. but perhaps when you get a fresh cactus from peru and eat it straight away then there could be a diference in mescalin concentration due to the climate diference between peru and europe. but if you let it grow in europe then it's mescalin concentration would stabalize in the normal europe level. or am I talking bullshit here?

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

I believe that cutting from 2meters large cacti is a big difference cause this is flowering age cacti and near roots have 40cm or maybe half of meter. What this mean. Cacti is already for some decades synthesizing mescal and also have large cells for large mescal production. Finally, if this cacti wasn't growed from seeds in Europe than his system is like one from Peru climate. I believe that it is important where the cacti has started to live and how long was that time. Like when we are born and than have mothers antibodies meaning high resistance to the diseases for bout a 8 months. Similar is with cacti but 'resistance' or properties are much more longer. :yawinkle:
What do yu think? :?:

 

[skoeip]

I once read that a cacti of 4 to 5 years old would have the highes amount of mescalin, and that when a cactus gets older he makes new mescalin but also breaks down a part of the mescalin.

and as I said before, if you would re root a cactus cutting from peru, wouldent the cactus adjust it self to the european climate? and is climate realy a big influnce with the mescalin potency of san pedro's? are pedro's from peru alot more potent then the one's grown outside peru? has someone experience with this? (probably this question gets ignored )

 

[skoeip]

imean the diferece of klimate between europe and peru, not between peru and lest say the artic regions of cours!

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

I have posted this question cause I am not curtain bout this. But I think that true environment from where cacti comes and at first if it is growed from seed that is from there(PERU) have big difference from cacti that has sprouted here and some years growing here. Guy who has given this cacti to me has make tea from 8cm long one and 5cm wide and tripped really hard. He compared that with 3 tablets of MDA. And this type of cacti is popular some years from now so I think that seeds and plant it self has changed it properties. Just compare (if someone here has) Peyote from Arizona and Holland or Croatia. ONE VS FOUR.

 

[Meduzz]

most san pedro's are clones because its way easier to cut a san pedro for new ones. if you grow with seeds you get cacti with a new genome.

growers should only cross the very potent plants as is the case with cannabis, which leads to increase of mesc generation after generation.

thats also why thc levels keep increasing year after year.

artificial selection baby 8)

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

For everyone, I have try this cacti cutting which has originally growed and have Peru genes. Meaning that only part of this cacti has growed in European climate. And this was awesome experience!! 8) Even better than large apple size Peyote grafted or originally grown from seeds! Now I will not describe my experience but if someone want, of-course I am going to.

Result of this experiment (I have also try Torch from Europe but this is nothing valued to mention) is that cacti from Peru-(Torch or Pedro) or south USA and Mexico-(Peyote and Peyote diffusa) are much, much stronger than grafted or seed growed ones from Europe. Something happens to seeds when germinating in origin place vs Europe ones. And many other aspects of our climate.
This can explain why Tricho cacti and even Lophophora from Dutch and other stores are not even close to specie origin ones.

All this above was my experience and experiment to determine if there is difference between european and origin cacti and this is it, my result and believe me this is worth to remember! I would send this discovery to psynaut magazine or somewhere else if you guys have idea

 

[GOD]

Personaly in my experience i think that cuttings from the ones grown in peru should be better , unless grown by a very experienced gardner in europe who knows how to get the best alkaloid content out of them . The ones i have grown here are up to about 1 meter 80 and 7 or 8 years old . I`ve only tried the ones of the same age of up to 50 cm though and they were dissapointing . = Naturaly grown peruvian ones should have grown much slower than the ones we grow here wich virtualy stand in water so that they grow fast . Your plants sound much older than mine to be the same high so i think that they would probably have more alkaloids in them .

 

[Goran.Hrsak]

Yes it was older plant, but I have received top of one cacti-cutting that were only 17-20cm long but fat, like 12-15cm. And this was part of cacti bush! One old cacti was feld cause it can't longer sustain it owns mass and result from this was bush of cacti like 2by2 meters! So I can tell that it was old one with old genetic material.

And one thing more, I am cacti grower but this you can't teach in school, only by experience. This is why I have made topic bout cacti origin and concentration of alkaloids in them.