Forget what the bleep, this is THE Secret

[Guest]

Every scientist with common sense and a objective education will recognize the circular reasonings, generalizations and false conclusions. I don't say you are stupid cause it seems logical but this is how all churches, cults and sects try to teach their doctrines.

There is no such thing as an objective education.
Every teacher will teach you the things he or she has taken for granted, so your basicly listening to the old shit someone has excepted to be true.

And even if you would think I was stupid or am in some kind of cult I wouldn't care.
It's just that this is the thing that's changing everything in my life, so do with it what you want

It's all about spreading the light

 

[phalaris]

Nice video.

Every scientist with common sense and a objective education will recognize the circular reasonings

Those circular reasonings are part of the essential working mechanism of the whole idea presented in the movie.

 

[phalaris]

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Yup, education is a tough one. The best we can do is to aknowledge that education won't ever be complete or objective, and let that also be part of our education system.

 

[HeartCore]

I mean, can you say that the Jews during the Holocaust didn't hoped strong enough that they would escape from the concentration camps they were held captive in ? And so it just serves them well if so many died ?

According to these types of teachings, you can assume they hoped in the wrong way. It works like this, if you wish to escape from a concentration camp, that wish will come true literally: you wish to escape from a concentration camp.

These teachings claim that if you pose your wish right, like I am free, that will come true without exception.

For a long time I though this was bullshit and just outrageous lies but now I realize it all depends how you look at it. You can still be free while being imprisoned in a camp. This one is very hard to understand I guess because it feels like loosing. Please lord, grant me the power to accept the things I cannot change. Something like that

And Jahvisions, scientists dont have a clue either, they just have cool agreements in wording shit and they produce awe inspiring toys for aged spoiled kids. Scientists know nothing about life, nothing at all, nada, niets, nichts, de rien. The big bang theory is flakey enough as it is and relies on one small miracle preceeding the moment before the big bang. Well give me one tiny miracle to play with and I will explain to you how tomatos are actually intelligent creatures that departed here from space and while I'm at it, i will show you tree diferent meanings of life, completely opposite to eachother but paradoxically, making all sense

Terence Mckenna told this cool story about how science came into the western mind. The story is, and it seems true enough, that Decartes at some point was visited in his dreams by an angel who ordered him to conquer nature by measurement (exact wording differs). Ironic dont you think? Modern science was inspired by an angel. The really cool thing about this story, is that Decartes got his dream in the small town where many years later, Albert Einstein was born.

Worse than scientists are sceptist, especially the ones that combine their efforts in a shared endevour where they try to break down other peoples ideas. I;m not against this type of research and I thinjk in a lot of cases they do good work but the other side of the coin is that they suffer tunnelvision because if they want to disproof something, they already believe its untrue before they start to research. Rupert Sheldrake has an interesting article about these people on his site.

 

[Jahvisions]

Ok it's not totally objective but if you are in an excact study you make an assumption and try to proove it. Like I do research on drugs where you take a certain number of persons by choosing them as lot as possible by trying that they don't have factors influencing the thing you are researching (smokers, overweight etc.) So you avoid bias as lot as possible. After the that you start a double-blindfolded research so patient and researcher don't know who is getting the placebo and the possible active drug. Then you check if their is a significant difference (using statiscs based on normal popularity) between placebo and drug. Then you may say it work and that what I call a little more objective then Yomanda telling you you don't have breast cancer.

 

[Guest]

Yeah, but even then, what works on one, doesn't have to work on another.
If you got 10 testsubjects, there's a big possibillity there's someone else who reacts differently. So it's all about getting a sort of "in the middle" answer, that can never be THE whole truth...

 

[MindAstronaut]

Thanks bro, i've been lookin for this movie.
Now i'm gonna kick back and enjoy

 

[Guest]

No problem
Always good to share valuable info :mrgreen:
(or info that can be valuable for some people if there open for it)

 

[Psychoid]

I am currently trying this... I am gonna tell you all if i got some results in a month or two

For the moment, maybe it's just coincidences but since i focus on positive thoughts and try not to think to negative things (wich is pretty hard sometimes), lot of good things happen to me

If you think I'm stupid, or naif (is it written that way in english?) for believing this, then I gotta tell you.... I don't know yet if this is REALLY true... but while listening to that movie I remembered a lot of situations in my life where all this made sense. For example, I never worry about getting my things stolen. But someday I went to the public pool and forgot my padlock so I couldn't lock my bike... so while I was swimming I often thought about it, I was worried that it would get stolen... when I wanted to go back home, SURPRISE!!! my bike was gone, and my friend's, which was right next to it, was still there. This is only one example, I could tell many more. So right now I am faithfully testing everything that was said in this video, I'll tell you about the results when I get them... or when I'll be boring to wait without getting any ^^

 

[Jahvisions]

yeah you are right every person reacts different because of interspecies variation, so it true that what might work for one person can't work for the other or needs a different dose.

Maybe the next discussion would be 'what arguments, tests and results may justify a conclusion'?

 

[Jahvisions]

And the mind is indeed a strong factor for example with the placebo effect but the question is how far can your thoughts influence everything? I don´t think it´s infinite cause if it´s true and then your thought is one of a billion pulling on the universe.

 

[HeartCore]

And the mind is indeed a strong factor for example with the placebo effect but the question is how far can your thoughts influence everything? I don´t think it´s infinite cause if it´s true and then your thought is one of a billion pulling on the universe.

Nice paradox eh?

But isnt this one of those big 'truths' that every psychonaut encounters at some trip: we all are one, seperation is an illusion. I find it hard to grasp myself but its a very persistent 'truth' in many religions and also in most peoples entheogenic experiences.

Neale Donald Walsch tried to solve this dilemma but stating that you can only influence your own life, not other peoples lifes but you only need to think a few secs about that to realize that this is also a paradox in itself.

Then you may say it work and that what I call a little more objective then Yomanda telling you you don't have breast cancer.

Well there has been a lot of debate about Yomanda and there still is a lot of debate going on so you can bet that for some people it works. And there is nothing wrong with a placebo effect, a lot of shamanism makes use of tricks to fool their patients in believing something supernatural is going on. The only important issue is this: Does it work?

And a lot of these things work because of placebo, because its basically some sort of linguistal programming, or people just want it to work or maybe its true and some people are in contact with whatever entities that somehow help them heal us.

You cant just say: its all bullshit just as you cant say, its all good. thats my opinion.

 

[Siq]

I have this thing ...

In my livingroom, there's not that much space, but I play hacky-sack and juggle in there, so often there's a lot of balls flying around. At therse times I've got glasses of drinks on the table, and other objects standing about. And sometimes where just throwing around stuff, like .. whatever, but nothing has EVER been thrown over, no glass spilled (that is: by me or my friends) and no bottle fallen. This may sound trivial, but seen the (cometimes occuring) chaotic situations, it's quite a remarkable thing.

And for me it's a matter of believe, or conviction actually. It's no issue that anything will be thrown over, it's not a fact, either now of later. It only happens to people in my house who are amazed and in doubt of this ...

 

[rossus]

the secret is "not bad" but the problem i have with that movie is, they portray it like you will have everything you ever wanted once you succeed in achieving material things. maybe it's just my interpretation though, i have watched it only once.

true happiness can not be found in having material things, this is just an illusion. and the secret, may or may not, influence people to believe in this illusion a bit more than they already do.

 

[petfles]

Being depressed is proof enough of this "thoughts become reality" theory. I've never had this much bad luck as in this period, i was a magnet of strange and bad stuff happening. I got lot's of sudden money problems, things broke ALL the time, got in a accident, the list goes on and on..

Don't believe the hype that you can control your thoughts this easy. It takes a lot of time to change your thought pattern on the unconscious level. Small things, like meeting people, reaching the bus and stuff is a different story. We all know that thoughts cause or predict certain events.

I would suggest this. Try to be open and without any expectations from time to time. My experience makes it seem like you are getting signs all the time and you will be sensitive when blanc with thoughts. Sings make you think about stuff, the more you think about something the more you should think about it. It's like the universe gives you options to think about. No negative thougths of course, just seek for connections in you perspective and use them. I forget it all the time but i know it can be done like this

It would seem pointless to wish for something that is not meant to be.. Doensn't it?

 

[amoneymoore]

i watched the movie and found it interesting and unsettling at the same time. i agree that the movie is portrayed as a late night infomercial and i hate how the topics they discuss are mostly about getting money and that great new job or trophy spouse(materialistic bullshit) but i do see how positive thinking can lead to positive outcomes. at least only in smaller less dramatic instances. but this question popped into my had half way through watching the movie; they were talking about changing your reality say if your kids were bad, or if your wife was upset all the time, that if you thought and felt about it positively and focused on what you wanted that you would eventually get everything or discover ways to change your family/friends/whatever to your liking...what if your kid doesnt want your reality? or you wife just isnt happy with you? what im trying to say is that the movie makes it seem like you can create everything, including personal relationships, while at the same time stating that we are all the connected...i cant find the words to my question...ok, what if your friend was into really hard drugs and you wanted them to stop. they dont want to stop, but you really want them to. the movie seems to suggest that if you want it bad enough and feel that you already have it then you can change your friend, doesnt your friend have any say? anyone get what im trying to say? i might just be reading into it too much or maybe i need to read the book and think about it more. good post though i enjoyed the movie and will def try it out, but i felt i needed to ask that question.

 

[Jahvisions]

nice to come back at this subject. Interesting thoughts.

 

[alice]

what if your kid doesnt want your reality? or you wife just isnt happy with you? what im trying to say is that the movie makes it seem like you can create everything, including personal relationships, while at the same time stating that we are all the connected...i cant find the words to my question...ok, what if your friend was into really hard drugs and you wanted them to stop. they dont want to stop, but you really want them to. the movie seems to suggest that if you want it bad enough and feel that you already have it then you can change your friend, doesnt your friend have any say? anyone get what im trying to say?

cool questions, amoneymoore!
we are all connected (says me), not just us, but everything else. we can change anything and everything, but maybe not in the dimension that we are looking at. basically, we can change OURSELVES, by looking at other dimensions, see our "wifes" or "kids" from other perspectives, and then maybe this will change THEM, to our eyes... it's complicated, and simple, like a "click" in our brain, that sometimes some drugs can help us with, or we can do it by just by being generally aware, like about our dreams, about the beauty around us, about the people walking on the street, about our minds and the whole cosmos.

what amazes me, among many other things, is that we only use 30% of our brain... right? so what about the other 70%? what is THAT?

alice