Fasting

[GOD]

Maybe we could harvest some Palastinians and do some legitimate "human" expeiments in the name of science

 

[Meduzz]

the reduction of free radical formation

I don't get your point. Do you mean chemical reduction of free radicals or do you mean a reduction in the amount of free radicals?

 

[mountain-girl]

God, i completely respect your opinion and you did raised some very valid points, however i felt you were presumptuous and judgmental.

Strange problems that middle class strangers to life make themselves .......... maybe if they went and learned first hand what poverty is they would stop talking crass blind crap

umm excuse me? Who are you to presume that all who fast are some middle class people with a victim complex (or maybe im misunderstanding?) i was raised in a homeless shelter until i was 10 and sensible enough to leave my "family" during which i was on the streets for a year until i got put into a low income foster family in a trailer park, dont lecture me about poverty. now i am a college student working two jobs, living in a small apartment with seven other poeple, currently i have the means to indulge in things like fasting and psychonautic experimentation. And who are you to assume wer plastic hippies? Hippy is a title one eanrs by putting into practice the values of peace love and openmindedness and love of the earth, all of which I do my best to embody, so who are you to say im plastic?

for me, fasting has nothing to do with any of the reasons you mentioned. i DO see my body as a temple-seriously, ive had to develop that mentality for a while since i used to have a self hate issue. fasting is not self harm-well, the way i fast anyways. i eat organic, im vegetarian (just un-veganized) and am looking into going raw, i do yoga, i love my body ect. so i do understand that, for me fasting is a way of cleansing myself and having a moment of introspective rest. it allows me to harness my mind better during meditation and makes my dreams more vivid and meaningful (or more blatant i should say since all dreams carry meaning). it is PORVEN that shorter fasts in moderation are good for most people, as even someone who is an organic vegetarian builds up junk in their system-its cleansing, whats wrong with that? 11 days is not a long fast. and that was not a result of brain damage. i have been able to see auras since i was a child, this experience just seemed to make them brighter. i had just gone through a really intense experience and needed to have a period of grieving and moving forward, fasting helped me to do that because through the cleansing of physical toxins, i also cleansed emotionally and mentally. Anyways, didn’t mean to jump on the defensive, but I had to make myself clear-be a bit more openminded and non judgmental-fasting has health benefits, its not some closet anorexic thing or the middle class trying to victimize themselves-for me, and what it seems like the rest of the people on here, sorry, you post felt confrontational and I felt the need to explain. Have a beautiful rest of your day brother. Peace and love

 

[Pariah]

"I don't get your point. Do you mean chemical reduction of free radicals or do you mean a reduction in the amount of free radicals?"

I'll reword:
The reliance on ketones reduces free radical formation, because normal glucose metabolism creates free radicals (so in that respect ketones are a good thing), but ketones lower pH of blood causing... problems, not to mention the implication of having elevated levels of acetone in your blood: acetone = nail varnish remover. not sure if the levels of acetone would be enough for it to act in any significant way in that respect though.

 

[GOD]

I didnt judge you . you have misunderstood me . I respect you and your experience . I wrote this in another thread earlyer tonight :-

"Its easy sitting here being who we are without knowing or taking into acount other peoples skills , knowledge and experience ."

Peace to you to .

PS. Poor people arent fat and dont need to fast

 

[mountain-girl]

heh sorry, didnt meant o over react to that post.

PS. Poor people arent fat and dont need to fast

ive actually found just the opposite, well, that theres two calsses of poor, those that are poor to the level of starvation, and those that are just barely making it, the first, no doubt, will be thin because they dont have food (which is actually not always the case, my mom wasnt skinny and she was this first typeso...) the other, tend to be over weight-my foster mom was morbidly obease because the food they CAN afford it shit meaningless calories like carbs and sugars-fast foods that put thousands of caliories in a one dollar meal-its filling, provides a short burst of energy and is the only food affordable. hopefully the day will come when organic wholesome food becomes affordable and readily available. i dont fast to loose weight, im underweight-thats just my body type, fasting would just mainly ge rid of water weight anyways, and considering all the water you drink while fasting, fasting for loss of weight seems fairly meaningless

 

[druglessdouglas]

with a little thought its cheeper to live on lentils and veg than macdonalds and readymeals. for the price of a macmeal you can eat well for 2-3 days. people who cant afford to eat well get little pleasure from preparing and cooking food so they go for the instant hit food to try and squeeze some enjoyment out of it. if you enjoy preparing and cooking your own food you wont want anything to do with processed, flavourless shugary pap.

 

[mountain-girl]

good organic friuts and veggies are expensive, i completely agree with you, but stopping by the mcdonalds for a 1 dollar grande sized hanburger that will keep you going until work is out is more conveniant than going home, preparing a nice healthy meal, and it provides more immediate (sugar) energy than munching on a carrot, good eating is a luxury of those with time and a bit of extra cash to spend on food-it doesnt have to be, but thats just the way things tend to turn out

back to the fasting topic though, has any one ever done a wild fast? like only eating food found in the wild, im thinking of doing it since we have a lot of wild berries and water leaf and stuff growing around here-any one tried it?

 

[Meduzz]

not sure if the levels of acetone would be enough for it to act in any significant way in that respect though.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketosis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis

Apperently the pH drop is only present in Ketoacidosis... Thank you buffer solutions!

Weird it doesn't mention any side effects except for stinky breath....

 

[druglessdouglas]

mountain girl- sorry but macdonalds are actually quite expensive here, not that i EVER eat any of theyre junk. i think food in general is much cheaper in the states. in uk food is expensive but organic is not much more exprnsive than chemical so it can be done. i eat junk maybe once a month, and live on lentils, beans, split peas and veg day to day. also its a lot to do with self destructive side of humanity. i know smoking kills, but i smoke. mark twain wrote- its nothing to quit, i myself have quit hundreds of times. everyone knows fatty fried processed food is bad for you but we are very good at convincing ourselves we dont care. the power of the lie.its easier to break something than to create and we do love convenience. if, however more people buy organic itll get cheaper. in the mean time spending what you can on good food may mean spending less on consumer goods or entertainment, fuel etc but that isnt a bad thing. weve cut evolution out[humans] and have to pay the price somewhere. we need more bears wolves and big cats. thatll motivate us to fitness

 

[GOD]

I vote Drugless , Go ! Drugy , Go ! Drugy , Go , Go , Go.........

I think most people would be surprised at how cheap eating good is , especialy if you eat lentils and beans and stuff . Picking fruit and vegetables is also .......FREE , so is gardening . Its dead animals , alcohol , tobaco , fat and sugar that are expensive financialy and health wise .

I once did a fast ...... on foot with only my levis and a tshirt on ......from Ceuta to Hamburg with 6 cents in my pocket . I got to Valencia without eating anything but a few evil tasting ornamental oranges i had stolen . In Valencia i bought a few kilos of tomatos and tried the tomato survival diate...... Reality was realy real !!!!!

I have a yearly income less than 3600 euros !!!!!! = there have been times when i was so weak that i had to lean on the walls as i "walked" down the street . Times when i had to eat flower and water mixed with gravey browning , when you have eaten that and you can only "cut" it with vinegar to get it to go a little further you will know what hunger is .

What about the rejuvenating qualitys of farting ???? = oxygen oxidises = oxidation = cell damage = if you fart in bed your skin is surounded by a protective gas barier between you and the oxygen around us......... why do you think old people have more wrinkles in their faces than anywhere else on their bodys ??????

I respect Andrew Weil ...... but have you ever seen him........... or was it an eclipse of the sun ??????

 

[druglessdouglas]

shroud protection like in welding? you and your metalworking. faces get most sun. a ski mask(or gas mask) is the answer

 

[GOD]

What about us testing it ????? I will keep farting in bed and you walk around naked with a bag over your head for the rest of your life and then we can compair the results........ ( allthough in your case i think you would get much more wrinkles but i dont think the results would have anything to do with the sun , more with the courts ) .

 

[druglessdouglas]

it wouldnt be a valid test. we dont get much sun, the wrinkles would be from the rain and blood loss from midge bites. all i wear is a kilt anyway. i cant afford a bag.ill start saving(would one of my old glue bags work?)

 

[MissDarling]

I find fasting brings on a certain interesting introspective mental clarity, if I do it for about a day, however as an ex-anorexic, I tend to avoid it as it just seems like a good way to trigger myself

 

[Lion]

I find fasting brings on a certain interesting introspective mental clarity, if I do it for about a day, however as an ex-anorexic, I tend to avoid it as it just seems like a good way to trigger myself

trigger yourself whereto?

 

[MissDarling]

I find fasting brings on a certain interesting introspective mental clarity, if I do it for about a day, however as an ex-anorexic, I tend to avoid it as it just seems like a good way to trigger myself

trigger yourself whereto?

Back into my eating disorder