Fasting

[Guest]

Good evening !

I was wondering if you guys would share your personal experience with fasting (before a psychedelic trip or as a end in itself).

Thanks

 

[HappyMind]

I don't do it. I don't like the idea of it and I'm tripping fine without fasting.
To have a nice trip you must be mentally ready/prepared.
I'm not feeling well when I don't eat for a long time, so I'm not feeling like I'm ready for take-off.

 

[Forkbender]

I've experimented with fasting before trips (up to about 30 hours prior) and must say that it really helps you focus. But you have to be well prepared and not have any work/school during this period. It helps deepen the trip, in my opinion, it is easier to dive in when your brain isn't rushing from all the sugars in your food.

I've also done fasting without tripping afterwards. Fast one day, eat fresh fruits the next, add steamed vegetables on day three and so on until after about a week you are cleansed and beaming. It has profound influence on your mental state, really making you aware and sensitive about food. I've noticed that I need to eat far less than I am used to eating and still feel energetic.

 

[druglessdouglas]

i fast if im going to trip. i fast a day or two a week anyway for no reason other than im not always hungry. having said that i ate today and then had 150 or so shrroms and apart from feeling fat i feel fne, but i wasnt planning it. i had a good couple of hours Hsing i practice and feel ALIVE

 

[Lion]

i fast regularly a whole week. and then i drink lots of water and a "brew"(= lemonjuice, little water, and cayennepepper).
other then that; when i want to trip on shrooms i eat brown rice and brown bread and some bananas for a week, and the last day i fast before going into my trip.

 

[HappyMind]

i fast regularly a whole week. and then i drink lots of water and a "brew"(= lemonjuice, little water, and cayennepepper).
other then that; when i want to trip on shrooms i eat brown rice and brown bread and some bananas for a week, and the last day i fast before going into my trip.

I know that some people are very serious about their preparations and set and setting, but why this? Does it really makes the trip better or more intense? (No offense, everyone should do what he/she thinks what's necessary). :wink:

 

[Lion]

i think it's more in the head.
but also.. my first trip on paddos went quite bad because i ate mcDo right before ingesting the shrooms right. and i think the trip went so bad because of the red meat. maoi-inhibitors shit?
i dunno, i just tend to be a bit more cautionous with tripping substances. i definetely respect it you know.
and you learn a lott from fasting too you know. it gives you an insight to people who don't have as much food as us. it also teaches you to strenghten up, because who knowes one day you're so broke you cant even afford a simple vegetable or fruit.

 

[BrainEater]

fasting is not always best for tripping i think ... but it is of course beneficial to not eat 6 hours before the trip .

but maybe if you really want to go deep or you want to go high ... then fasting might be more beneficial i guess. .. i guess it depends a lot on many things ...
but maybe if you fasted then your body might have detoxicated itself so you might experience the substance in a more pure way...

peace 8)

 

[Lion]

exactly, the detox gives a certain boast to that aspect.
in the end you have to remember; shrooms are like poison, it's earth's trash formed into a plant/fruit..
yeah i dunno, tbh i'm quite curious about how the different tribes' stand about this. how are their customs, do they fast etc.. might be interesting to actually get deeper on that..

 

[HappyMind]

Not eating for 6 hours gives me an certain emptyness, what I don't like while tripping, I hate it when I'm getting hungry while tripping, because it distracs me from the experience. So I like to eat normal during the day, and wait about max. 3 hours after my last meal before taking mushrooms or acid. Works perfectly.

And, Mc Donnald's... Yuk... :roll:

 

[Lion]

yeah don't tell me, i got anti mc do too.
but the fasting helps me to go through the trip without much hungerproblems. since i can't eat during a trip and 12 hours or so after it. i mostly have an idea that food is alive, and it feels weird to me to eat and touch it.

 

[Pariah]

I tend to fast before trips, those that I do fast before tend to be more "spiritual" or philosophical, might sound a bit odd, but I find it removes from the bodily sensations and focuses of the mental aspects (which I prefer in trips).

In the religion I was brought up in, fasting was a significant part, and although I was never comfortable with the dogma / imposed beliefs, I found fasting was worthwhile - I'd say fasting on its own can be quite a good "tool" on its own, seperate from psychedelics - albeit less profound, intense, and without the visual element.

 

[druglessdouglas]

im tripping out of my nut. ive just had a very drunk friend around and weve been listening to my life in the bush of ghosts{im doing this in slooooow motion}. he bought a chinese. im still trying to eat it after 2 hours dut it tastes amasing(crispy duck,hoisin/plum sause and pancake rolls and its giving me scalprushes. pipe-crispyduck-pipie

 

[mountain-girl]

I love fasting and I always fast two/three days before planned trip experiences, because your body has ridded itself of toxins and is so ready to digest whatever you put into it, it increases the potency of it as well as makes it easier to focus, for me it makes the trip feel more pure and natural and spiritual. like, if i trip without fasting when i come down it feels like im covered in ash-like how you feel after spacing out infront of a bonfire, but if i fast it feels like ive just dived through a pull of liquid stardust which is more refreshing. the first time i did a long fast i tripped naturally, I needed to cleanse really badly from something that had happened so I fasted for 11 days and didn’t sleep for a few because I was in such deep meditation and after I came out of a two day meditation with no sleep somewhere in the middle of my fast I started to see the aura of everything (im not sure what this is though, ive always been able to see peoples auras, but this experience has made them much brighter and more visible) and then i started seeing very very mild shroom visuals. i think was more for lack of sleep than fasting though-or both, good experience overall tho, i love fasting mostly just for cleansing purposes and i would deffo suggest it before tripping.

 

[Guest]

Mountain, when you say that you're fasting for 2-3 days before tripping, does this means that you won't eat anything at all and only drink water ?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

I was wondering if you guys would share your personal experience with fasting (before a psychedelic trip or as a end in itself).

I fasted for 10 days in 1995 after I had read about the health benefits. I only drank vegetable juice, and it was quite effective. In 1996 I tried the lemon juice, cayenne pepper and water brew mentioned by Lion, but stopped after 5 days, though my intention had been two weeks. Since then I started eating only fruits in the morning (usually bananas) which I continued doing to this day.

If I'm going to trip in the evening, I abstain from food for 4 to 6 hours, not more. Or I might just eat fruits throughout the day. If you eat a normal meal, especially a vegetarian meal, it will have passed through the stomach within 3 to 5 hours. Fasting for longer periods of time is optional, not necessary from a physical point of view.

in the end you have to remember; shrooms are like poison, it's earth's trash formed into a plant/fruit..

I think you had that viewpoint a year or so ago, and I'm surprised you still believe this. In fact, my shrooms eat the same macrobiotic dish you eat for a week before each trip: whole grains. Psilocybine is NOT a poison, and there is NO proof the organism produces it so as not to be eaten. A mushroom is a fruit of the mycelium, and hardly any organism produces poisonous fruits, rather they are generally filled with beneficial substances (vitamins, bioflavonoids, or in the case of shrooms egolithic entheogens). Many mushrooms contain powerful anti-carcinogenic and immuno-stimulating properties (Reishi, Shiitake, Maitake...).

i think the trip went so bad because of the red meat. maoi-inhibitors shit?

Though I'm a vegetarian myself, I do not believe eating red meat can lead to a bad trip. And MAO inhibitors have nothing to do with this either. It must have been something else about the set and setting at the time.

 

[mountain-girl]

yeah, lemon water. except on some acid trips i do juice fasts but thats only if i know im gonna trip in advance (which is only about 50% of the time) usually someone just happens to have some psychoative substance on them, in which case im not going to turn it down becuase i didnt fast :wink:

 

[Pariah]

Caduceus Mercurius and lion - I'd say your both right in a way.

CM - "Psilocybine is NOT a poison" psilocybin is pretty non-toxic, less so than caffeine if I remember correctly (to humans at least), but the body still treats it like a toxin, just like any alkaloid.

Lion - "it's earth's trash formed into a plant/fruit" true, but thats also the case with any plant: we were talking about this in the bioremediation thread; what I didn't mention though is it works the same way for any organism (plants and fungi inparticular) - you can tell where someones food came from by measuring heavy metal levels in bone fragments - the plants take up heavy metals from the soil, and each area in the world has a different heavy metal profile - great in forensics of people from "3rd world" areas or forensic archaeology, where they get their crops from the same area they live. something to think about if your a fan of "organic" vegetables (pesticides are the least of your worries).

...a bit off topic, sorry.

I'm not so sure of benefits to fasting any more than a day or 2, after that, I would imagine the bodily effects would get in the way of the "experience" - headache, noticeable physical weakness, susceptability to disease and injury, etc. as your body starts digesting itself.

Would be interested to hear from someone that has tried both long and short term fasting and which they prefer and why.


Pariah

 

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[druglessdouglas]

because were NEVER starving in the 1st world we have enough reserves to handle long fasts. we just THINK were hungry, without ever knowing what it means. the dizy stuf we experience only lasts untill our bodies move from sugar/glycogen metabolisim to fat metabolisim. unless you run around demanding energy at a high rate you should have no problems(illnes and metabolic problems aside). if you spend your time thinking-im hungry- then you will be. maybe that funny bright clear feeling is normal and the content, slightly bloated feeling is all wrong