Elfs and little metaphysical creatures

[greenwizard]

I made a point about human perception of reality in a topic by IJesus, It was called if a tree falls in the woods.


It goes back to Kant when he states ".though we cannot know these objects as things in themselves, we must yet be in a position at least to think them as things in themselves; otherwise we should be landed in the absurd conclusion that there can be appearance without anything that appears"

We have to interpret the "signs" we can perceive to recognize ourselves in reality .

 

[IJesusChrist]

I'm pretty sure things appear that have no appearance - thus hallucination was defined.

 

[Psyolopher]

Well got no arguments for you there.

Except a girl saw them to with me, even counted the same amounts of them.
Explained it in the same way.
And alittle hint, she wasnt on anything!

=)

And she's quite intelligent, so dont get me wrong.
This is why im haunted by this illusion/hallucination/Mystery.

 

[faithless]

There are people who seriously believe (some in a state of neurosis) that the reality that they perceive is nothing but a product of their mind, I would like to watch a meting of these thinkers and see them argue who was the real one


IJesus, I'm not in the position to declare that I'm right and someone else is wrong.

I do beleive that. Movies like "what the bleep do we know" explain the scientifical view, and others like "the secret" explain it more philosophically.

If you consider everything, everyone (including yourself) as a part of god, it's obvious that we are all creating this reality together, and our selves, the god-part of us, is the creator of everything that exists (or not).

If you don't beleive in god, replace the world by "energy". Everything in the universe is energy. energy can't be created, it transforms.

Everything in the universe is the creation of god. god's always been, and will always be. can't be created or destroyed, blabla..

Same definition, we just have too many words for one thing.

 

[greenwizard]

well, if she wasn't on anything..

the mind works in mysterious ways!


but still, I consider that this phenomenon has to do with the influence of other factors.



(Off topic: Check out your post count psyolopher )

 

[HeartCore]

The essence of a real mystery, is that it remains a mystery no matter how hard you pull it or take it apart.

I do beleive that. Movies like "what the bleep do we know" explain the scientifical view, and others like "the secret" explain it more philosophically.

Here's where you make a critical thinking error, 'What the bleep' is not scientific at all. Not at the least. You cannot make a movie about science and then while you make it, change the rules of science to have them fit your movie.

If you consider everything, everyone (including yourself) as a part of god, it's obvious that we are all creating this reality together, and our selves, the god-part of us, is the creator of everything that exists (or not).

'The one that became many', we all are one, the same essence. As I created you, you created me. Sweet paradox, never meant to be solved by carbon life forms scratching the surface of a big blue planet.

I would like to watch a meting of these thinkers and see them argue who was the real one

That's missing the point actually. The nature of such a reality would be, that it is impossible to figure out who is real and who's not. If the system would lack that, where would be plenty of room for system failure where NPC's get conscious of their not so free will and revolt against the system..

 

[Psyolopher]

well, if she wasn't on anything..

the mind works in mysterious ways!


but still, I consider that this phenomenon has to do with the influence of other factors.



(Off topic: Check out your post count psyolopher )

That might be true aswell.
Yes, but what were the influence factors?
Tell me that and i'll draw an easier conclusion.
These little beings or hallucinations are common, and collective.
If so, what the hell in our minds makes us see these exact things?

Btw, lol 666 in post count!!!! hahaah thanks for noticing!
I took a screenshot!^^ Evil shit!

The essence of a real mystery, is that it remains a mystery no matter how hard you pull it or take it apart.

I do beleive that. Movies like "what the bleep do we know" explain the scientifical view, and others like "the secret" explain it more philosophically.

Here's where you make a critical thinking error, 'What the bleep' is not scientific at all. Not at the least. You cannot make a movie about science and then while you make it, change the rules of science to have them fit your movie.

[quote:apq4x5rl]If you consider everything, everyone (including yourself) as a part of god, it's obvious that we are all creating this reality together, and our selves, the god-part of us, is the creator of everything that exists (or not).

'The one that became many', we all are one, the same essence. As I created you, you created me. Sweet paradox, never meant to be solved by carbon life forms scratching the surface of a big blue planet.

I would like to watch a meting of these thinkers and see them argue who was the real one

That's missing the point actually. The nature of such a reality would be, that it is impossible to figure out who is real and who's not. If the system would lack that, where would be plenty of room for system failure where NPC's get conscious of their not so free will and revolt against the system..[/quote:apq4x5rl]
Agreed on the bleep argument, there's only a few quantom physics speculations and a hypothesis built from that and other things.
its not scientific.

 

[Brugmansia]

Since the world got to know Terence's experiences, at least twice as many people got see elfes and entities, go figure.

 

[greenwizard]

That might be true aswell.
Yes, but what were the influence factors?

hm, well, has she heard of such experiences before having them?




heartcore, arguing the nature of such reality would be impossible. thats why it would be fun to watch! :lol:

 

[????????]

this thread reminds me of this:

there's a whole series of books about them, my mom bought it to me eons ago. they describe in very intricate, detailed fashion, all about them. things like how they are 2 apples tall, the clothes they'd use according to season and festivities, diagrams of their houses (inside trees) with richly drawn cut sections, the animals they'd domesticate, the machines they'd build and all sort of things you wouldn't imagine.

 

[Psyolopher]

Those gnomes remind me of Amanita muscaria!
I think they are related.

Since the world got to know Terence's experiences, at least twice as many people got see elfes and entities, go figure.

Well we cannot really know either, if thats Mckennas stimulation.
That people went like COOL, and then OMG ITS REAL.
OR that they wanted to tune into it, and found the right frequency.
Who knows? The most logical explanation would be my first one.

In my case, they werent self transforming machine elfs.

The influence might ave come from two places,
My native culture, and that im generally sensetive to these sorta insane things.

That might be true aswell.
Yes, but what were the influence factors?

hm, well, has she heard of such experiences before having them?




heartcore, arguing the nature of such reality would be impossible. thats why it would be fun to watch! :lol:

She has, and she likes them actually!
She was NOT inspired by Mckenna.
She also beliefs that plants can communicate, and has alot of different plants in her home and sends them love etc...
Maybe that gives you a pointer about her personality, but I dont think this is an experience that would be easy to explain with logic tbh.!
(btw not saying she is wrong or not.)
Its just so strange that we saw this, and the way we encountered this.
Because they felt different from a normal trippy hallucination, I really could feel them.


Its so strange and hard to explain, but I have to be neutral about this.
Because i feel like there is something to it, but im not sure if im just imagining things.

But the experience was profound, thats for sure.

 

[Psyolopher]

http://dump.no/files/69252d8cf43c/LOL_WEED.jpg

Picture related!

 

[chizley]

I like it how most of the people here will argue with the non-proven bad health effects of drugs due to lack of evidence and proof. Then when we thinking about things like this, those same people will argue and say that there is nothing real about a hallucination.

At the same time your asking the greater population to be more open minded, you yourselves are becoming less open minded, I jsut thought i'll express that thought.

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

this thread reminds me of this:

there's a whole series of books about them, my mom bought it to me eons ago.

That's a painting by the Dutch artist Anton Pieck. He was the designer (until the mid 70's) of the Efteling fairytale theme park. I've also got some of his books, which my grandmother once bought.

 

[Forkbender]

^actually it is Rien Poortvliet.

The book is still available. :roll:

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Ah yes, of course!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rien_Poortvliet

 

[chizley]

I've always wondered what a baby gnome would look like... Does this book have pictures? :3

 

[IJesusChrist]

I'm sorry but this is one of the worst threads I have ever read.

Congratulations

 

[Psyolopher]

I'm sorry but this is one of the worst threads I have ever read.

Congratulations

Im sorry it didnt entertain you! :roll:

I mean, really? Was it that lame, that you actually did have to state that?
Shit, you should start going through more of this forum then. :lol:

 

[chizley]

I'm sorry but this is one of the worst threads I have ever read.

Congratulations

Really? What makes you find it so bad? Perhaps we can help you find it a tad more interesting