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Earthlings (documentary)

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'earthling'

I like the term :)

Earthling, species Homo Sapiens.
 
after watching it whole i feel like a carcinoma cell walking around, i cant understand why ive had the unluckiness to be born a human(the most unpure and evil-capable species)
 
twicon, i haven't watched that documentary yet (my happy hour is at 9am, and now it's night :D ) but i can understand your frustation with mankind. the problem isn't "we being the carcinoma", the problem is that we have born FROM the carcinoma, and we all now what the end of a bad cell will be...or it conquers the body, forcing it do die (and therefore commiting a kind of "blind suicide"), or the body defeats the cancer, making the host live ever after. i love our host, that's why i despise our carcinous condition.
 
Yup, after seeing this, i think i'm going to be a vegetarian..

I feel ashamed to be a earthling/human, especially how we behave towards nature.. :cry:
Man, this vid really made me feel terrible (but maybe thats a good thing)

Thank you for sharing..

Peace..
 
i just finished watching the "documentary".
IMO, it is clearly propaganda. you may or you may not agree with it, but it is propaganda just like the nazis have made. did you noticed that the images and the music were carefully picked to match the words, and even the narrator would change his tone, according to what he was saying ? this is no documentary, this is a brainwashing session. documentaries are not partial and speak for every point of view. animals in the first place was one of the main causes for us to start civilization. i agree that animals are treated very badly by the majority of people and they should live a better life. something should be done, and i have adopted and helped to adopt many puppies and adult dogs in a local pound. i feed 3 dogs and i don't know how many cats that live on the street in my neighbourhood. i am probably doing the job of 5 or 6 persons to take care of their pets, not counting with the help that i give to the pound (anual payment and telling people that want to have a dog).
i didn't liked the "documentary" at all. it was carefully studied, always very emotional and partial. is this how science is done ? the things they said were right, but there is another way to say things without brainwashing people, without that planned psychological intervention that is supposed to make you cry and then ask for revenge. and the thing that caused the most aversion to me was the fact that they always talked like they were right, speaking very generally and seldom in the specific, always aiming at your heart. it discusted me, to be honest.
 
every opinion is respectable, personally i cant see something ''propagand-ish''.
and even if it was ''propaganda'', for what would it be?
to stay away beafs and steaks and respect another earthling?
if so i love propaganda
 
i belive that it is too early to tell what interests lie in this new "global warming/counsciousness" movement that has been taken recently to a new height. but i am 100% certain that there are hidden agendas, economical interests that make this ecological movement a mainstream trend. it is too naïve to think that people are doing this to save our planet. people want MONEY and POWER, so they can lose their FEARS. nature is fear as it is wonder, and people need their colective shield (society/cities/buildings).
just imagine what you could win if a marvelous product of yours, that transformed pollution into breathable air, would be RIGHT NOW in the possession of the enterprises (aka organizations) that have gained control (but unique control - monopoly) of this new trend. perhaps they were doing this propaganda right now, so we start hating the pollution, and began searching for alternatives. meanwhile, they always had the alternative that has been improving underground, to leave no room for anybody to copy. you would be millionaire, would't you ?
the nazis have done the same thing to jews, and americans with arabs. before the hunting, comes brainwashing.
but i respect your opinion and am not interested in turning anyone on my side. the propaganda is in the eye of the beholder :)
 
"global warming/counsciousness" i wouldnt go so far, i was talking mostly about humans extreme dependancy to animals.

about this product you say, i would agree with you, but i believe the inventors of similar products dont ussualy do it for money except if they work over sponshorships, that would happily use propaganda(even nice) to open the market..i see what you say.
for example see scientist Nikola Tesla, it is said that US gov had ''burried'' his completed project for ''never ending energy source'' cause it couldnt be applicated on a ''bussiness transacting'' based system.
 
i am glad i have caught your wavelenght and we both agree.
still on the documentary (ontopic again), who paid it ? it certainly took some money to do it, where did it came from ? who wrote it ? what are his connections on the past ? these are all important matter that one should look.
perhaps if one left the cows in a large cornfield, would cause the corn price to go up, and the ethanol price would go with it. we shouldn't belive that all the things that go into mainstream are there because someone really wanted to make everybody aware. many of us try to do it and how many reach mainstream attention ? very few. things reach "global awareness" when money is involved.
for example, do you know what triggered the "slavery awareness" that began in the XVIIIth century ? it wasn't the french revolution (that i could sure talk about), or any major idealist-paradigmatic shift that "magically" happens in mankind, like kubrick's monoliths. what trigerred the liberation of slavery was the invention of the steam-machine, and with all the factories, crops and cities full of them, the slaves would have few things to do, began mobbing and would be a threat to all forms of goverment except for anarchy. they had just become redundant in the workplace. then, someone made this beautiful idea of all man equal: liberté, igualité et fraternité (freedom, equalness and fraternity). suprisingly, it worked 100%: 1)all people bought it 2)all slaves were incorporated (aka aculturized, lost their identity, etc) in the system. and you ask me what won ? it wasn't freedom, because we might still think that they were the ones who got incorporated...it wasn't them, it was us. we are all slaves now, who get to report to their boss, their "equals", and have several degrees os slavery, both upwards and downwards. slavery has become so normal that it answers to the name of "freedom" nowadays. and so happy are we when we can get a FULL DAY to go to the country, or tripping, or drunk, or whatever. we are so happy when our bosses LET US take that day just for us.
i am just affraid that the same will happen to this movement, and i am pretty sure it will happen. the animals are just a façade of a bigger plot, namely the "global awareness". "we are all equal, both sexes, species, races, etc..."isn't this the same story than in the french revolution ? and see what has come out of it!
there's just one hipothesis that i belive that every human would protect the earth, and every other living thing on it: there must be an alien attack. and the aliens cannot be atractive or valuable, either alive or dead!
 
Propaganda maybe, who knows who made this vid, it could be the biological food industry who is right now making a awfull lot of money ( what is not good case ). but it main thing is, that its making people think twice about there food of choice. and with Mcdonalds and shit we could use some counterpropaganda.
 
just because mcdonald's acts like that it does not justify this movie. in my head, the director paid some people to mistreat the animals while he recorded it. greenpeace is known to have made this in antartida. this is not a documentary in which you learn, it is a shocking device used to imediatelly turn people on their sides. in this manner, there's no way you can say we are better than them.
 
lately i was thinking to turn vegetarian,after watching this im closer to be one...
watch and try to be a better earthling not a f*** human

This is the topic what it is about, about the information Twicon gets from this video.
Propaganda or not, that is not the issue/question/topic Twicon wanted to discuss. (if im wrong Twicon, let me know..:)) It is a whole other topic/discussion when you talk about propaganda on this subject.

The movie shows you lots of information, and we all have or opinion on that.
My opinion is to first look at yourself, what do you eat and buy, and why?
Is it because you are used to it?
Or because you did your research and experiments, just like psychedelics, and made the choice that it is what you and your body needs.
Is all information you know now about food in general actually all information there is, or are there some pages missing maby for another agenda?

I love experimenting en discovering about life and myself!

Hugs Maxi
 
i'm not saying people who belived it are nazis. i say it looks just like nazi propaganda, and the main reason to belive so is that you talked to me just like a nazi would talk to a jew in 1933. only because i don't belive in the documentary. it is a business, no one is trying to help. and heartcore, why is it dumb ? give me one good reason to belive that this is not the start of something like WW2 ? perhaps you know the future ? or perhaps you don't know the past.
 
the nazi propaganda came to real mainstream in 1933, it was a comparison to today's mainstream of global awareness (and animal awareness, for that matter).
 
daytripper a dit:
the nazi propaganda came to real mainstream in 1933, it was a comparison to today's mainstream of global awareness (and animal awareness, for that matter).

This is more than dumb...you are....

*leaves the topic.

Anyway, leave the nazi comments out of this discussion about vegetarism please from now on. It is uncalled for anyway.
 
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