E-Prime

[BrainEater]

i ask myself...

 

[IJesusChrist]

I see the reason for it very quickly when using it.

Nothing can be determined, only perceived. The mere word "is" and "has been" and "will be" seem to make ourselves out to be a lot smarter than we really are. An inflation of the ego, and an inflation of our actual intelligence. Using e-prime seems to humble the user's intelligence.

 

[ararat]

bump, because that stuff seems powerful.
after disregarding it for some time, I got into it again and it rocks my experience of the world right now. everything loosens up, flows, nothing static, fixed. people become more than the labels I usually would have put on them. that stuff acts like an antibiotic to thinking. metaphysical trying-to-catch-my-own-tail thinking ruts seem so utterly absurd when carried out in e-prime that they break down. it appears that it removes absolutes and sets one into an experiential reality, rather than a verbal one, which feels infinitely more real and significant than some wacky conclusion about something.
a lot philosophical and scientific debates (and possibly lots of others too) would seem meaningless and not make any sense anymore, or make total sense, depending on the topic

 

[Mescaline]

can you help me translating this into E-prime? I begin to doubt that it even works.

"Who or what am I?"

It seems that it cannot be translated. The only conclusion that appears to follow is that "I" only "seem to be" And this actually seems to be the case. It appears to be easy to assume that only subjective experience seems to exist. But as seemingly implied by the preceding sentence, a subjective experience only seems to exist. In turn, it appears to be implied that the seeming existence of subjective experience also only appears to exist, and, thus it appears the apparent existence of the seeming existence of a subjective experience only appears to exist as wel, and, haha, the seeming existence of the apparent existence of the seeming existence of a subjective experience only appears to exist as well, and so it seems one can go on ad nauseam.
It appears Descartes seemed wrong to assume his "Cogito, sum".

 

[ophiuchus]

:lol:

 

[ophiuchus]

i see here, a way to evolve as a species.

 

[BrainEater]

what?? from wannabe monkeys to real monkeys .... yeaaaahhh lol :lol: :lol: :roll:

 

[ararat]

:-|


did you even try?

 

[BrainEater]

no sorry lol... it seems i want to apologize for my apparent primitivity...

 

[ophiuchus]

ill make another attempt as well.

it appears that evolution may have a new venue. :idea:

 

[Guest]

Damn, [s:35z3j5f1]that's an interesting topic[/s:35z3j5f1] this topic looks interesting.

I already tried to less qualify things and/or people, as it appears more & more to me that doing such a thing is eventually pointless.

I'm gonna try to use E-Prime (in my own language as well), seems like a nice mental exercise!

 

[johnscarbrough]

I did not know this before I read this article.

 

[ophiuchus]

apparently so... :lol:

 

[LaStaff]

I find this topic to be interesting.

It's actually quite a nice way to write and to think. I can just imagine the next generation of politicians learning this, so they may never be held accountable for their words.

 

[ararat]

I find this topic to be interesting.

It's actually quite a nice way to write and to think. I can just imagine the next generation of politicians learning this, so they may never be held accountable for their words.

 

[ophiuchus]

:lol:

 

[Sinesis]

can you help me translating this into E-prime? I begin to doubt that it even works.

"Who or what am I?"

Nope. You've asked a koan. You'll have to sit with that one yourself.

I saw some other posts questioning the value of e-prime/general semantics...

My first exposure to the concept was in Chaos magickian Peter J. Carroll's book PsyberMagick. He calls the verb 'to be' a "word virus," saying that "Language structures perception, thought and belief. Language thus creates our reality, but language can suffer from viral attack and initiate disease in our thoughts."

As to a cure, he offers the broad aim of general semantics: increasing our consciousness of our own abstracting, the process by which we construct our maps of reality.

If you dig the stuff in this thread, check out Drive Yourself Sane. I experienced it as a bit dryly written, but a good introduction with practical, concrete examples.

 

[ararat]

Nope. You've asked a koan.

it seems so


thanks for the recommendation. I'll see if I can find it in electronic form somewhere. if you haven't read them, Robert Anton Wilson writes juicily on these topics, most notably in quantum psychology and prometheus rising