drugs and the paranormal

[sadhak]

I was browsing through Erowid and I have just found something weird
something very weird! almost paranormal I would say

just read with plenty of concentrations both of those two reports and you shall understand what I mean (if you feel lazy than you can read only the second half of both reports because that where both of those experiences start to become homogeneous)

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=37950
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=50605

VERY freaky

I want to note that those two reports we're surely submitted by two different people and not by the same person
also - notice that both of them took the exact dose of 1750mg. of dimenhydrinate
the reason why both of them said to be taking such a huge dose is because they had a lot of tolerance to this drug but still wanted to trip balls

what do you say? have you ever seen ANYTHING like this before?


THE CHAIN OF EVENTS:
- both of them take the exact dose of dimenhydrinate
- both dudes started an imaginary party from the pills
- both seat talking to a friend of theirs which they hallucinated
- than both of them go to the bathroom
- both of them meat their sister
- their sister asks them the same exact question - "who are you talking to?"
- to both of them at that point come their parents or grandparents
- they both think that at this point that they stand in line so they step aside and tell the imaginary people behind the SAME exact statement - "Go ahead!"
- then both of them seat on a couch getting questioned by their (grand)parents
- both of them start looking for the keys tearing apart the couches
- both of them are stopped by their (grand)parents
- both of them put some items on the stove and attempt to burn them but stopped in time by their (grand)parents
- both of them than are rushed to a hospital by their (grand)parents
- both of them talk with their sister the whole way to the hospital
- they both are being told that their sister are not in the car
- than they both get eventually sober in the hospital

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

Wow, both took a deliriant, and both lost touch with reality!!
What are the odds of that happening?!

 

[sadhak]

Wow, both took a deliriant, and both lost touch with reality!!
What are the odds of that happening?!

not funny -.-
you abviously didn't read it fully

the first half of the reports have nothing similar
but the second part starts to be completely homogeneous between them too and all the events come with both dudes in the same order

all the events are COMPLETELY homogeneous
and I am NOT talking about the effects of the drugs
read closely and with attention and you shall be shocked

AMAZING

 

[sadhak]

THE CHAIN OF EVENTS:
- both of them take the exact dose of dimenhydrinate
- both dudes started an imaginary party from the pills
- both seat talking to a friend of theirs which they hallucinated
- than both of them go to the bathroom
- both of them meat their sister
- their sister asks them the same exact question - "who are you talking to?"
- to both of them at that point come their parents or grandparents
- they both think that at this point that they stand in line so they step aside and tell the imaginary people behind the SAME exact statement - "Go ahead!"
- then both of them seat on a couch getting questioned by their (grand)parents
- both of them start looking for the keys tearing apart the couches
- both of them are stopped by their (grand)parents
- both of them put some items on the stove and attempt to burn them but stopped in time by their (grand)parents
- both of them than are rushed to a hospital by their (grand)parents
- both of them talk with their sister the whole way to the hospital
- they both are being told that their sister are not in the car
- than they both get eventually sober in the hospital

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

True, I didn't read it fully, just the second half of each. The both decided to take about 30 pills instead of 15, and they both had delusional interactions with their family.

Why don't you cite the relevant sections and sentences then, and explain exactly what you mean?

edit: thanks!

 

[sadhak]

True, I didn't read it fully, just the second half of each. The both decided to take about 30 pills instead of 15, and they both had delusional interactions with their family.

Why don't you cite the relevant sections and sentences then, and explain exactly what you mean?

edit: thanks!

I just posted right now those events which I was talking about in the original first post with which I started the thread

what do you think now? how is such a thing even possible?

I remember reading a book about kundalini energies
and in the book there was mentioned a few stories of people the lives of which we're exactly the same and all that because they had the same name and the same birth date which made their fates/destinies identical to each other
do you think that this might be the same case?

 

[Caduceus Mercurius]

what do you think now? how is such a thing even possible?

Some of the things are typical of people taking deliriants, such as interaction with family members, because it's very often kids who use those type of drugs. In fact my own experience with a deliriant (Datura) also resembles these stories, in the sense that I ( age 17 or 18 ) was behaving in a very weird way in the kitchen, which was witnessed and commented upon by my brother, who had no idea what was wrong with me.

But you are right, there are some peculiar similarities there, and the reports were both submitted early 2004.

I remember reading a book about kundalini energies
and in the book there was mentioned a few stories of people the lives of which we're exactly the same and all that because they had the same name and the same birth date which made their fates/destinies identical to each other

Well, identical is impossible, as no two persons can be born at exactly the same time (in minutes and seconds) at exactly the same place. Even twins are not born at the same time, and so there are always some differences between them. Having a similar name is even less relevant.

I don't know why there are so many similarities between these experience reports, but I wouldn't think too much about it.

 

[sadhak]

what do you think now? how is such a thing even possible?

Some of the things are typical of people taking deliriants, such as interaction with family members, because it's very often kids who use those type of drugs. In fact my own experience with a deliriant (Datura) also resembles these stories, in the sense that I ( age 17 or 18 ) was behaving in a very weird way in the kitchen, which was witnessed and commented upon by my brother, who had no idea what was wrong with me.

But you are right, there are some peculiar similarities there, and the reports were both submitted early 2004.

I remember reading a book about kundalini energies
and in the book there was mentioned a few stories of people the lives of which we're exactly the same and all that because they had the same name and the same birth date which made their fates/destinies identical to each other

Well, identical is impossible, as no two persons can be born at exactly the same time (in minutes and seconds) at exactly the same place. Even twins are not born at the same time, and so there are always some differences between them. Having a similar name is even less relevant.

I don't know why there are so many similarities between these experience reports, but I wouldn't think too much about it.

but after the first half of the reports their experiences are starting to get completely parallel to each other
and the events between them happened in the same exact order
the part when their mother or grandmother comes to the so called their "rec. room" which is on the roof and both of them get the delusion though that they are in a line and they both step aside and say the exact same statement - "Go ahead!" is just too much for me
there must be something else that I don't notice
too bad that Erowid will never pass personal information of the people which submit their reports to them

 

[RushNerd]

Both those guys are idiots. Other then that I agree it's extremely strange. it's almost too parallel...do you think they same person wrote both (far fetched)? I guess that drug must have similar specific effects to some users.

 

[sadhak]

Both those guys are idiots. Other then that I agree it's extremely strange. it's almost too parallel...do you think they same person wrote both (far fetched)? I guess that drug must have similar specific effects to some users.

no I don't think that both of them we're submitted by the same person
the user names under which they we're reported are different (even though both experiences we're submitted more or less around the same time)
and everything there is not COMPLETELY identical
for an example - dude #1 lives with his parent while the other one lives with his grandparents
both of them have at least one sister
it was mentioned that a sister of one of them is named "Ashley"
but the name of the other one is unknown

even though this drug might have similar effect on certain people it's hard to understand how will the chain of events of theirs be so identical
the room on the roof; the bathroom; the sister; the point where the mother or the grandmother comes; putting items on the stove to burn them; looking for the keys; talking to their sister on the way tot he hospital; being told that their sister is not really there
all that cannot possible be just because of the drug
those events are too similar
and the events happens in the same exact order by both dudes

both of them have similar body weight (170/180lbs)
both of them toke the same exact dose
both of the reports we're submitted more or less in the same time phrase of the same year (2004)

 

[cockknocker]

Thats quite weird

 

[HeartCore]

. it's almost too parallel...do you think they same person wrote both (far fetched)?

That's not far fetched had , it's the simplest explanation. It's the first explanation that came to my mind.

 

[Brugmansia]

Deliriants do have mysteries, you have 3 people on a deliriant, and while they don't respond to sober people in reality, and sometimes can't even see them, they do hallucinate together they same thing and are both involved in each other's delirium.

They perform the most elaborated tasks such as washing themselve, passing over the soap, sharing towels. Collective consciousness you can say.

A true sorcerer knows how to ingest solanaceae's properly, at a correct dose and it won't last as long as most people think, touch with reality is seen back after 10 hours. Depth in the eye-sight and meekness can last for days.

A bit too much and the gravity is increased with 10, extreme drunkenness, and you cannot even pick up a CD cover because of the extreme weakness, strength is shot to pieces. Stomach swells, so does the tongue.

Never done it. It are interesting drugs, but great caution and medical knowledge/supervision is a must.

 

[sadhak]

. it's almost too parallel...do you think they same person wrote both (far fetched)?

That's not far fetched had , it's the simplest explanation. It's the first explanation that came to my mind.

No I don't think that both of them we're submitted by the same person
the user names under which they we're reported are different (even though both experiences we're submitted more or less around the same time)
and everything there is not COMPLETELY identical
for an example - dude #1 lives with his parent while the other one lives with his grandparents
both of them have at least one sister
it was mentioned that a sister of one of them is named "Ashley"
but the name of the other one is unknown

even though this drug might have similar effect on certain people it's hard to understand how will the chain of events of theirs be so identical
the room on the roof; the bathroom; the sister; the point where the mother or the grandmother comes; putting items on the stove to burn them; looking for the keys; talking to their sister on the way tot he hospital; being told that their sister is not really there
all that cannot possible be just because of the drug
those events are too similar
and the events happens in the same exact order by both dudes

their body weight is similar but not identical (170-180lbs)
also - dude #1 put different items on the stove to burn theme in the scene where his parents stopped him then dude #2
dude #1 put pots with plants
while dude #2 put pans and posters

 

[Space-is-the-Place]

- both of them meat their sister

I thought incest was illegal

 

[sadhak]

Deliriants do have mysteries, you have 3 people on a deliriant, and while they don't respond to sober people in reality, and sometimes can't even see them, they do hallucinate together they same thing and are both involved in each other's delirium.

They perform the most elaborated tasks such as washing themselve, passing over the soap, sharing towels. Collective consciousness you can say.

interesting... I guess that in this case I shall ones again accept it from a spiritual point of view rather than seeking a scientific explanation (specially if you consider the fact that I prefer to see myself as a pagan)
I heard that iboga Also acts in a similar manner
when people see the same visions and hear the same voices
I feel that I no longer have any doubt that the things that modern scientists claim to know about entheogens are far more ignorant than tHe things that the ancients knew while most people in our Society prefer to see them as no more than "dumb and crazy people" which worship "false and imaginary Gods" while Believing in a Whole load shit of random mambo-jambo
I've found out that with the help of entheogens if you know to use them properly and treat them with the honor that they Deserve being sacred plants which we're given to us from beings superior then us as a gift
with their help you can predict the future heal those which are sick And come to self realization and Enlightenment if you just do it properly and know how to interpretate the signs and omens

 

[sadhak]

- both of them meat their sister

I thought incest was illegal

xD
sorry dude for the grammar error I meant that this was the point when they MET their sister NOT had sex with her

 

[RushNerd]

- both of them meat their sister

I thought incest was illegal

 

[swingline545xx]

Oh, I'm sure I'll be flamed by near everyone for this, but here it goes anyway:

Why should incest be illegal and what is so wrong with it? I suspect many of the arguments against it are the same as the arguments against drugs that most of us don't care for:

* It's wrong.
Well, you may think so, but other's don't. It seems wrong to be pushing your morals on others; especially when the other people are hurting no one. In this case, they are not even hurting themselves.

* It's not natural.
LSD and MDMA and many other drugs that users here like are not natural. They are made it a lab. Why the double standard? Even if you only like natural things (weed) and don't have a double standard, why only natural things? What's wrong with synthetics?

Gah, this isn't the point of this thread, so I'll stop it right here. Still, I see no problem. The only possible argument that seems even partially valid to me is the increased probability of birth defects and genetic disorders in the children produced from incest love. Still, that's not a problem with incest itself, just a problem with children resulting from incest. So incest should be fine, just perhaps not when it comes to having kids. Sterile brothers and sisters and cousins should be able to fuck all day long and get married, etc., as far as I'm concerned.

But then, I'm a freedom junkie and want everyone to do whatever they want as long as they don't hurt others. I'm also a follower of moral skepticism for that matter (inaccurate short description: there really is no such thing as morals at all). I'll still say things like "x is wrong" and "x is right" and I'll still understand when people say things like "x is wrong" etc, but only because I mentally translate all this to "I don't like x" or "y likes x" or "y thinks x would result in lower overall happiness in the world", etc., as I read and write things.

Wow, I digress.


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Let me try to get this post at least a little bit on topic. I skimmed over the two posted erowid TRs:

http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=37950
http://www.erowid.org/experiences/exp.php?ID=50605

The language style seems at least a little similar. They both use expletives with about the same frequency, use a variety of short and long sentences that seem consistent, and the use of many introductory phrases and words like "anyway", etc., come up with about the same frequency.

This is by no means proof of anything, but I think they could very well be reports by the same person. Probably submitted twice to improve their chance of getting the TR included in erowid, and probably some details were changed both times to remove as much personally identifying material as possible.

IDK.. It's possible there were just separate but similar trips and it also seems quite possible the same person submitted both of them.

 

[????????]

i think that the guy wrote the first TR and submitted it but it didn't show up when he looked for it (like it happened to this guy) and he also didn't make a backup. he stills want to share his experience with the world so two and a half months later he rewrites it and submits it again under a different username. (he forgot the first username because he was on dramamine again or something)

mystery solved?