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DMT in Naptha

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I don't mean to hijack this thread but since the consensus seems to be PH 13 on the base end, what is the consensus on the PH at the acid end? I did my first couple of extractions (still evaporating so no idea on the yield yet) but my solvent was clear at the end, no yellow tinge at all. But I suspect I am going to see poor yield for other reasons. The tek I used suggested PH 2 for my acid solution and PH 9-11 and I went with something between 9-10.
 
You should try and find Heptane or Hexane, it's used for cleaning textile and paint.
 
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Heptane, thats what I was thinking actually. I was wondering why the fuck don't I just use octane, there must be something I'm missing.

Next summer I'll end up using heptane or somehting, definitely pick up a smoking habit too...

And as for the original meaning of this post:

I had napthalene, and when alone it was colorless, when added to my ph13 solution, it would turn a very light yellow/oraange almost urine color.

I wanted to know if this yellow/orange was form the DMT, and was proof of DMT content, or whether that would happen with any plant. (I answered this myself, and the yellow is not an indicator, it is just fats from the plant that I did not extract before acidifying.)

Thanks though, dazed.
 
IJesusChrist a dit:
Heptane, thats what I was thinking actually. I was wondering why the fuck don't I just use octane, there must be something I'm missing.

Next summer I'll end up using heptane or somehting, definitely pick up a smoking habit too...

And as for the original meaning of this post:

I had napthalene, and when alone it was colorless, when added to my ph13 solution, it would turn a very light yellow/oraange almost urine color.

I wanted to know if this yellow/orange was form the DMT, and was proof of DMT content, or whether that would happen with any plant. (I answered this myself, and the yellow is not an indicator, it is just fats from the plant that I did not extract before acidifying.)

Thanks though, dazed.

The coloration is due to impurities in the DMT solution such as plant fats and oils. I have seen the same results and the yellowish yield it provided, I have also seen very clear naphtha, especially on the first pull from a batch.
If your product is yellow you can easily wash impurities from it in a warm naphtha solution; 50ml naphtha in a small glass container, partially immerse it in a pot of water on the stove over a low heat. Dissolve the product into the warm naphtha and you will see a yellowish "goo" collect in the bottom of your container, that is the junk you do not want to pour into your evap dish for the next round of evaporation.
Repeat until you are happy with the outcome.

BTW, use naphtha or heptane since they are easy to find, octane is not really an option unless you happen to work in a petro-chemical refinery because it is a combo of 23 secret herbs and spices...
 
I found an easy and good way to extract a high yield of pure white crystals, it takes some patience, but the reward is huge. :)

-Find a jar that fits about 3 litres.
-Hexane, or Naptha.
-Lye or something like it (granulated).
-Mimosa Hostilis (pre powdered is fine).
-3 or 4 collection jars.
-Pipette, or an improvised one.

-Now put 2.25 litres of water in the jar and ad 100 mg. of granulated Lye/NaOH to it, then ad 100 mg. of pre powdered Mimosa Hostilis, mix it untill everything is dissolved, close it, and put the jar away for 24 hours, less is good too, but 24 hours will give better results.

-Now, after 24 hours open the jar and ad 100ml Naptha/Hexane/Heptane, close the jar and roll it gently -(do not shake, you don't want emulsions)- around for 10 minutes (you can do less, but again, for better results 10 minutes is advised).

-let possible emulsions fade away, and roll the jar again for another 10 minutes.

-Repeat this one more time, so you rolled that jar for 30 minutes, let possible emulsions fade away, and open the jar to extract the top layer of Naptha, put this Naptha in one of your collection jars and put that jar in the freezer.

-Now repeat all of this again, ad 100ml. Naptha, and roll that jar again, this time 8 minutes is fine, do this as you did before, so you have rolled the jar for 24 minutes, again extract the top layer, and put it in another collection jar in the freezer.

-Ad 100ml. of Naptha and repeat the whole process again, this time 6 minutes is fine, so after approximatly 18 minutes of jar rolling you can extract the last layer and collect it in another third jar, you can put that in the freezer aswell.


-Best is to leave the jars in the freezer for 48 hours, after 24 hours you could collect your yield, but if you wan't a higher yield be patient and wait 24 hours more, do not disturb or shake the jars when they are in the freezer!

-After 48 hours you can take them out, and take another jar, put a coffee filter in it, and empty the collection jars in that filter, put the remaining Naptha in a jar, you can re-use it for later extractions.

-Let the crystals dry out, cut possible chunks with a razorblade into small pieces, and let them dry out completely, so all Naptha is evaporized.


There will still be some residue in the collection jars, but this will get oily when you'll try to scrape it out, best is to re-crystalize the residue.

The collected crystals don't need to be re-crystalized if you have only extracted the Naptha, without any brown sludge, otherwise you can re-crystalize.

-Using this method should get you an amount of 0.6 mg. white crystals of DMT.

I tried 4 different methods, and this worked out the best by far.
Also, it's best to store the collection jars in the fridge for an hour before putting them in the freezer, by doing this the jars will cool down more slowly, wich will produce more crystals aswell, also make sure your freezer is on it's maximum capacity, the colder the better.

Good luck!
:)
 
Fiashly a dit:
I don't mean to hijack this thread but since the consensus seems to be PH 13 on the base end, what is the consensus on the PH at the acid end? I did my first couple of extractions (still evaporating so no idea on the yield yet) but my solvent was clear at the end, no yellow tinge at all. But I suspect I am going to see poor yield for other reasons. The tek I used suggested PH 2 for my acid solution and PH 9-11 and I went with something between 9-10.


A few posts up, Heartcore said you need ph 13. To answer your question about the acid, 2 or even 3 should be fine.



If you only got the ph to 9-10, you are probably throwing away most of your product. The product will not 'unlock' from the matrix at the ph you specified.

The thing is this; DMT is an AMINE, and therefore, it has certain classic amine properties, such as existing as the freebase in high ph ranges, and as the amine SALT at acidic ph.

Generally ph is related to aqueous solutions, ie; acids (in water, usually) and bases (in water, usually)

Since what you guys are discussing is extraction teks, the pertinent things are that these emulsions are forming at certain phs, and making extraction/separations difficult. Raising the ph sometimes will break emulsions, but many times, the best solution is to get a filter flask, and break the emulsion physically, by sucking it through filter paper. End of problem.

Making the ph higher increases the solubility of the dmt in an INDIRECT way, it makes the dmt more accessible to the extraction solvent.

Once the DMT is reacted with an acid such as HCL, then it is no longer soluble
in naptha or non-polars, but is water-soluble.

Moving the target molecule back and forth from water soluble form to oil-soluble form is how you purify it to higher levels, well, one way anyway.

If it's in acid-water and you add naptha, then the naptha will pull everything else that is non-polar (fats and garbage) out, but the dmt is locked in the water. That is called a 'wash'

If you had dmt in naptha and added ph7 water, then after shaking and separation, you'd have performed another 'wash' of a different nature.

In the words of Zubric; " You can wash extractions, and extract washes "

A wash and an extraction, then, can be seen as the same thing, but what you are doing with the result determines what you are calling it;

throwing away = wash

keeping = extraction
 
Alkaloid extraction 101
thanks spice
 
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