dissociatives-- What do you think??

[Crimzen]

I have zero knowledge of dissociatives, I've never taken any and havent read much about them
at some point this year I'm going to try ketamine out
i also know someone who wants to try datura (i have some growing in my garden purely because its a nice looking plants, from what i've heard i dont want to try it)

I'm just wondering what you think of these 2 substances and if you have any tips for taking them, i dont want to give the datura to this person for fear of their own safety, if i was going to give it to them i'd first find out which strain i have and then of course check the dosage for it

help?

 

[Mr.Smith]

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[IAmTheNight]

I have no experience with datura, so can't help you there unfourtunately, but I do have quite a lot of experience with ketamine.

I find small match sized lines to be a waste of K, you're forever topping up and don't seem to get much more effects-wise.
The best dose for me is either a 50-100mg line or a 200mg line for a nice k-hole.

 

[Guest]

Intra muscular works quite well with K, a 100 mg dose in an insuline syringe (go for your shoulder, it's basically the only place where you can reach you muscle with such a short needle).

If you go this way, don't forget to make sure you're not in a vein before injecting the product by pulling a bit, if no blood comes, then it's okay.

Oh, and do this while sitting or lying, the effects come VERY quickly.

 

[Brugmansia]

I'd love to shoot K, but only if I could get my hands on ketanest or ketalar vials.

 

[Guest]

I'd love to shoot K, but only if I could get my hands on ketanest or ketalar vials.

Same here, I don't trust the substance if it's only powder/crystals.

 

[Brugmansia]

I have snorted and swallowed crystals, but the K-hole went very gradually and the story goes in phases instead of being launched and coming down very gentle. Although I experienced the landing more vivid than taking off. But IM seems to be the method to get especially that part more lucid and straight.

 

[Mr.Smith]

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[lucky_lab_rat]

I would never give datura to someone- for some reason it can be brutal. I had a friend end up in the hospital- strapped down with those wide, thick leather straps. He hallucinated the wall was a waterfall and ripped free- taking several police officers/hospital folks to subdue him.
I won't say it isn't worth doing though :wink:
My only experiences with Ketamine are intramuscular. My father was a veternarian, and when I got into the pihkal drugs in the very early 90's my friends had 2 55gal drums of the stuff Never my favorite, but unique and worthwhile none the less. It can be addictive though...
John Lilly- the famous dolphin communication researcher was a bit of a ketamine addict and has some worthwhile writings on the drug.

 

[LsDxMdma]

DXM is a dissociative, and its fairly easy to obtain...you can find lots of info on the net about it, id say its comparable to K, but its different...ya dig?

 

[Crimzen]

word but where i live i've never known anyone to have DXM or to have even tried it before
Many drugs of this kind are only found over east in the larger cities of australia
for example even lsd is unbelievably difficult to obtain, its pure luck when you do find it
i've heard a little bit about it on the net and it sounds good to me

The reason i'm asking about special K in particular is that its the only one i'd be willing to try (unlike my devils trumpet) that i have sort of easy access to
and its not even in australia, theres a person i know who has 'friends' in malaysia
we were going to take the train over there while i was visiting friends nearby but we had 10 days and were with a decent size group who wanted to do other things

 

[Apollo]

DXM is just in OTC cough medicines. Isolating it is preferable (simple acid/base extraction), but you can also just take the cough medicine without isolating.

Tablets are easier. Avoid anything with chlorpheniramine or acetaminophen in it, as these are dangerous in high doses. Guafinesin won't kill you, but it will make you feel like you need to throw up the whole time.

I've taken it twice and probably never will again. The effects just last too long, and while it is a somewhat unique, dream-like experience, it becomes kind of tedious after a while.

I haven't taken ketamine, but it appears to act in a similar way, although it is much more potent.

There is some evidence that repeated abuse of disassociatives can lead to brain lesions, so it's probably advisable not to overdo it.

 

[????????]

where is such evidence? not trying to be a dick, is just that this claim of brain damage by dissociatives has been casually dropped here lately with no references whatsoever and i want to know where you're getting it from.

 

[Apollo]

hxxp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olney's_lesions

It's still being debated, but there's no reason to push it. I can't imagine wanting to take disassociatives more than a couple of times a month to begin with, but that's just me.

 

[Meduzz]

Tests on rats indicate that 5-HT agonists like LSD and psilocybin prevent the neurotoxicity caused by NMDA receptor antagonists.

Interesting. Anyone tried this combo?

 

[IAmTheNight]

Tests on rats indicate that 5-HT agonists like LSD and psilocybin prevent the neurotoxicity caused by NMDA receptor antagonists.

Interesting. Anyone tried this combo?

I've done ketamine at the end of mushroom and acid trips, never during the peak though.

 

[Psychoid]

Tests on rats indicate that 5-HT agonists like LSD and psilocybin prevent the neurotoxicity caused by NMDA receptor antagonists.

Interesting. Anyone tried this combo?

That could explain why I had almost no hangover the second time I took DXM, compared to the first time: I had taken 1g of dried shrooms with it!

 

[????????]

It's still being debated, but there's no reason to push it.

according to the wiki there's absolutely no reason... but i completely agree with you on taking it easy with the dissociatives.

 

[IAmTheNight]

A few of my friends got heavily in to ketamine and it messed with them a lot.
Dissociatives do need to be treated with respect and not abused.