Attachements

[buffachino]

One is not attached to objects that one relates to.
One is attached to oneself.
To the idea of self.
To judgement.

When all one need do is love.
For through this, one is already free.

Peace.

 

[Lion]

One is not attached to objects that one relates to.
One is attached to oneself.
To the idea of self.
To judgement.

When all one need do is love.
For through this, one is already free.

Peace.

AMEN!

Couldn't agree more.

 

[restin]

I just don't understand you, random. You are writing grand texts about things you know not being needed but still you are sitting at your computer, surfing in the internet, reading in this forum...What is it that holds you back? Nothing but yourself! Maybe you think you need to have a computer, TV and watch the news to fit into society? That's not true, I don't read newspaper either (doesn't work always, when I feel bored sitting in a train and there's a newspaper lying on the table...), I know some people not having any TV or not using computers actively.

You don't have to flee from this world. I disagree with you, Lion, I am not talking about some 'go to a lone island'-trip. You are able to go to work, to talk with people but still being detached from their way of thinking. Also if it is 'only' meditation and/or using your favourite drug (you are on psychonaut.com )

You may say that this contradicts the law but honestly, the law only counts for public places...at home your rules are the law, as long as you're doing everything private, it is allowed to be.

PS: living is suffering

 

[Guest]

living is suffering ? that is perhaps the most the worst statement that i've read in this forum. if you want to suffer in your life, do it, but don't tell other people what their living is.
in my humble opinion, one can live the moment (the now, as random says) anywhere. work sucks, but they wouldn't be paying you if it was nice and easy. free time is great, but everything happens in the present. living in the now means living both good and bad moments. if you go away to chase your utopias, you are running away from the fact that you cannot cope with bad moments. meaning that you cannot live the now. will turning your back on them teach you how what to make of it ? so you really think that things will really fall into place by turning your back in your problems ? you will find another problems.
search yourself and try to see what's the matter. channel your energies for what's really wrong, the rest will follow. generalizing will only make you more confuse and not able to identify the root of that feeling.
that's what i did, and will do again if i need to. it works for me. your results, however, may vary.

 

[restin]

*With a small wink to spice* I actually began to occupy myself with zen...I sure don't understand it and maybe never will. But I try to explain to you what I think to understand...

Just think about this sentence...because of fear of death, cupidity, lack of knowledge about life and death, people suffer. This is being human.

But is suffering always negative? By taking all your suffering, by realizing what your suffering is, by letting yourself fall, you are able to purify yourself from all weights of the world. Think about it.

 

[Guest]

restin, don't tell me about zen. it sounds like you have read two chapters of the alan watts book and suddenly you are a zen doctor. you are talking about the main difference between budism and hinduism, the existance of suffering - the root of the illusion of individuality, as opposed as the "life is a play", in the brama hide and seek, aka maya.
i have read all of alan watts essays and books that are around the internet, and am interested in eastern religions for more than 10 years, having read lots and lots of books.
at least, read the whole book before posting your ideas of what you think zen is and trying to make a nice intelectual appearence.
if you are really interested, let me tell you that you will never understand zen if you don't understand the japanese tradicional way of thinking.
and, as a final note, taking for granted that people are ignorant, shows not only a lack of proper education, as well as a arrogance that will make your own ignorance transparent to everyone.

 

[BrainEater]

yeah maybe restin has confused some terms but the basic idea is good though it might not have to do that much with zen. but i am not sure. what i want to say is that the message he wanted to give is good and i think its to some degree true.


daytripper you said some cool stuff that is worth being checked out and taken into practice if needed.


random i think you have like a basic frustration that hits many people some time and then it kind of depends what they think or do with this experience afterwards. some assimilate, some go to exile, some just forget about it.... i felt like that often before and the feeling is really true in the essence thats what i believe. but maybe you can not get to the bottom of the frustration and know why you feel that. i think the feeling wants to guide you to the question that you want to ask yourself and answer it also: what do i really want?

i agree that you don't need the stuff you say, but its useful and its easier.
thats maybe a point that describes human behaviour to stay with the flock and use the options that are easier...
for living you maybe only need food and shelter...but the other stuff can enrichen your life maybe also and give more possiblities. although i really agree that when you are attached to it and kind of really think you need it or maybe you really need it then its probably different.

 

[restin]

dear daytripper,to make one thing clear: it is not a book by alan watts, it is a book by philip kapleau ok, to be more serious: listen. I do not want to tell you about zen. I can't teach anything about something I, as you said, have only read few chapters about. By your post I have the feeling of you being quite ignorant though, listen: I don't know if I can associate with the oriental teachings, I have to learn more about it. But what I am sure about is, that I can learn a lot from it. I associate it with my own view to life. And the sentence I posted is an interpretation made by myself.

You think people are not ignorant? Very interesting point of view. Funny indeed I don't say of myself not being ignorant as I am not different to all the other folks...

EDIT: I may have confused some terms, I am German native and I read the whole stuff in German (looked 4 it in English bit couldn't find anything useful)

 

[buffachino]

Living is only suffering if one disassociates themselves from others.
As if one is separate to the existence of what we experience.
That is true loneliness, for you abandon yourself to the void you created within.

Nothing is ever wrong with anything.
Only one is wrong in themselves for believing it as such.
This is suffering.
Imposing judgments on an indefinable entity and living only within those terms manifested by ones karmic alignment.
The root is always oneself.

And it is too much knowledge, in fact the knowledge itself, of life and death, that is the root of human suffering.
The definition of one separate from the other, this is suffering.

Life is a game that is simply in order for one to understand this inherent fact of ones existence, and one will continue to suffer if one defines suffering.

Frustrations stem from denying yourself.

For the self is the equilibrium of ones designation of existence.
Yet the definition and its ramifications change nothing.

For every question one poses, an answer one creates.

This is balance.

Peace.