Attachements

[random]

The more we have, the more we think we need.

Sometimes I start to wonder... Do I NEED all this? I mean, Stuff. Like this computer, the bed, the bathroom, the kitchen, the money, all that clothes, all that socks, all that pencils and papers, tabbaco, all that food, chairs, lights, closets, books, etc etc.... Do I Really NEED them? Or I just think I need them?

More and more, I have the will to leave all this shit behind and pick my backpack, a pair of comfortable shoes, a change of clothe, a warm coat, tent, a pad to write and draw, a xaphoon (I never played it, but I'm in love with it), a penknife, lateralus and john coltrane Blue Train cds (so I can play it once in a while, when I find a cd player) and breathe...walk.. breathe.. walk.. and Love.

Do I need more than this? I mean, I don't feel that this daily routine can give me much more than it already gives to me.
The world is going mad with all this technology, all the lies and anguish for power and money. Everything seems , every day, more and more 'plastic', if you know what I mean.

For me, there is nothing... nothing compared with that feeling of being surrounded by trees, birds, a river, bugs, the sun warming my body, the wind flowing through my skin and feeling my hairs swinging... Smiling, loving, communcating with nature... knowing, each second, that nothing is apart from nothing. That everything is that single moment. Ethernal. No start. No end.

...

Do I need all these things? And what really makes me feel, even more, that I should stay away from this kind of enviorment, is that somehow, this Materialistic, and 'Curriculum' world we live in, only feeds that little fear of 'going into the wild'. But... fear of what? Of dying? I will die, sooner or later. Of being alone, and not surrounded by that reciprocal fake-egoistic "love" that, nowadays, we all think we share? Of missing all this? Of regret? Why? There is no answer, because there is no objective to achieve within the boundaries we live. Even if one wants go graduate from this or that, well... ok I still have an objective about that... but... what will that contribute to Anything? Will that help earths healing? Or human behaviour, to be healed? No.

Human beings NEED Pure Love and Truth. Life on earth needs Pure Love and Truth. The Earth itself, NEEDS Pure Love and Truth.

To make anything nowadays, like make graduation on something I like to do, or work, or going out with people, or whatever.. I need to make scab the earth. I need to take public transports, I need to use artificial lights, I use products in my work that polute, etc. Thats unavoidable nowadays. The level of stress that we reached, it's completly unavoidable.

I'm tired of this bubble. And at the same time I feel attached to it.

Well, all in all.. I'm here right now, like you are are there right now. And if you are reading this, thanks for your time. Just a thought.

Love

 

[Guest]

all choices carry consequences.
turning your back on all that you stated will not make it disappear. instead, you will bury your head in the sand, and all things will continue to exist, evolve and all your problems will still be there. you have to face the problem and end it in its root. the problem, as you might have found, is in the things you idealize and the way things are. there's a big difference between them. what to do is up to you. this "evil" you spoke of is in everywhere, sometimes more concentrated, other times, dispersed. denying is, in last case, to deny human nature, as it is a part of us. it will always be easier to run away and complicate things than to stay and take a chance in simplifying evething, so it can be understood, and, at a later stage, transcending all the problems that you have. that is called facing your demons.
when i was 14, i ran away from my house (never felt it as a home), and was 2 weeks wondering, without a way and without troubles. i managed to stay alive, and lost that "habit in having stuff", that you spoke of. but after that time...something was missing. i was going around in circles, not geographically, but in my mind. there was no point in doing that. things were still there, even if i managed to free myself from them. the hard thing to do is that one must use things not as a slave, but as mere objects. one has to work. i highly dislike that, but when i come home, be sure that it won't take more of my time. i have tap water in the kitchen. that doesn't mean that i have to drink it until i explode! i only drink it when i feel like it!

 

[random]

I just want to feel the now, more intensely. The daily routine only contributes to those mechanic moments. And I really hate them. They keep coming and going. Suddenly I'm a machine again, and not thinking about what I'm doing, or not aware of my existance in certain moments. Not fully in the Now. Like in my job for example. There, is where they are more common.

It's like climbing the mountain of life, and I keep falling 100 meters. And then I climb 105 meters, and then I fall again.
I know I should be more patient. And instead of climbing the hill in a rush, I should climb it slowly and behold of all the little rocks, clouds, wind, rain, sun and all forms of existance, so I don't have to be consumed by those 'problems'.

I know life works that way. And I know I have to face those 'problems'. And even if I don't like them, the feeling of being, alive, in the wild wouldnt be so beautiful, if they didnt exist.

 

[Lion]

watch 'Into The Wild'.
Travel safe, be prepared!

 

[Guest]

enjoying the present is something that you can do in any place. if you can't do it at work, perhaps you aren't able to do it just yet. both the climbing and the falls from that mountain you spoke of are parts of the now, and both are parts of the montain and of yourself. enjoying the now means enjoying everything, even the worktime, the bedtime, the family time....
if when you are at work you are counting the seconds to get out of there and live the now, perhaps you should enjoy those moments at work, as they are also the now.
just my opinion...don't take everything so seriously.

 

[Pariah]

Haven't watched the new film thats out, but I've read the book 'into the wild' and like lion says, I'd recomend it. I could really identify with it, and I think you would too, I'd also agree with daytripper, but I think you appreciate what he's talking about if you did disappear for a while, but if you do, take the book with you and read it!

by the way, if I had 1 album I could keep, lateralus would definitely be it!


Pariah

 

[restin]

never heard of into the wild...but read 'the beach', this is genious, I think it fits to the situation...if I remember it right though

 

[Guest]

i don't think his problem is lack of reading...i think he should drop all books and get his ideas fall into place.

 

[Guest]

In my opinion, what we *really* need is what is keeping us alive, besides this, there's only what we want, or what we're addicted to...

 

[BrainEater]

i guess one needs to leave alone one's mind grip or others maybe too. i think its sometimes really a tough grip that binds minds to the illusion. one must become aware of it and after can decide if he/she wants to continue in this grip!

also there's a momentum in the mind... its like a spinning wheel and maybe if you have slowed it down a bit or somethin it can still go on terrorizing you or even be driven more. the level and the quality of terror depends maybe on one's impressions and active programs run in the mind. so you got to be a bit careful and don't let yourself dragged down again by a momentum effect. if you have realized your attachment its good to remember that and if you become aware of it take action. or simply being aware of it might help also.

what i think is that this goes most of the time really subliminally and that most people dont have real direct access to their minds. thats why its maybe hard to stay in the now, because the conditioning goes like really subliminal and thats why it can be hard to get an awareness of this in oneself.

maybe the self-terrorizing is quite subliminal too. so maybe you are having this infliction but you don't know it and it might be seen directly only on some occasions.

maybe someone understands what i want to say. :mrgreen:

peace.

 

[Lion]

i don't think his problem is lack of reading...i think he should drop all books and get his ideas fall into place.

i agree. but as i said earlier. Be prepared!

 

[restin]

I think reading is a very good way. At first, you can identify yourself with something or somewhat. But there's also another point. There are a lot of people in this world who have realized what human beings are and what they're up to. Marquis de Sade is said to be mad but I think he's one of the most intellectual people. Okay, it's actually not hard to realize that human beings are evil, the world is unfair blah blah, read any book that is considered as a classic and there you have it. With the given situation (everything is evil..) the logical consequence would be to leave, pack the most important stuff and go. the problem is: you can't. At least I can't. It is easy to realize that the modern moral is 'stupid' but it is really extremley hard to then go your own way. To doubt e.g. that stealing is bad. You just can't. Or the same with a computer. You think: bah, who needs it, and the next day you have one. You can't flee from the social moral,from the way of thinking.

 

[BrainEater]

yeah ... conditioning is taking place on a level that is hard to perceive!

 

[restin]

uuuh...yeah,conditioning, too but I am also thinking about something much more natural...simple education. By parents,school etc. It is building you from the fundament,from the roots so it is really hard to change it...

 

[restin]

mhm what I actually wanna say is-

Have you read the comic "V for Vendetta"? This is pure genious...ok, let me tell you: the situation is, that V is sitting in the prison and after getting some LSD (?) he asks himself this question: What is it that holds me in that prison...if not....myself!?

I think this is exactly our situation. I have realized that all my problems are built up only by myself. Every barrier is built up by myself.

But what can I do now? And I think this is the difference. I know that I am my own problem but I don't know what I should do with it.

 

[Lion]

nice way to think restin.
But... running away from this madness doesn't mean you have to run away from social stuff..
F.i.: there is a hippy community in stockholm if i'm not mistaken. They live pretty basic, and without internet etc.

 

[Guest]

there are at least one hippy community here in portugal as well. i had a friend that went to live there, but last week i met him in his work as a security enforcer. now, there's a change in one's lifestyle!! i guess if it was really good, i would never see him again. hippies are people, just like we are, and therefore have exactly the same problems as we do...they just don't bathe so often :mrgreen:

 

[random]

I think we are , in someway or another, emprisioned by our cultural values, our enviornments, technology, etc, etc.. Clichés. We are attached to them with steel chains.

What I've been aware of, is that I don't NEED any of these stuff. I don't need to have this daily routine, I don't need this computer, I don't need this desk, I don't need all this useless 'things' that we , on a daily basis, deal with.
We think we need them. Or even better , we don't even think about them. We just deal with them. But do we NEED them? What would I lose if leave all this behind? Yes, it wouldn't be easy to leave the beings that I Really Love behind. Knowing, that, probably, I wouldn't see them again. I'm not saying that it's easy. But, to make that decision... one already believes enough, and not regret, that or, any furter decision.

The hard step to take here, is to actually make the step of choosing, and realize, that we Really don't need any of it. And just Live.
Leaving regret behind, leaving negative emotions behind, leaving every negative aspect of life behind, and just embrace Live with our own simple existance.

What can go wrong if one delivers totally, purely and unconditionaly to the mysteries of the Universe?
Even if one's destiny is to suffer, you will Love your suffering. You will accept those moments of being hunger and not having food. You will accept not having a shelter to feel cosy. You will Love. Because it's part of it. You will be free. Not Free in the sense that you can do anything you want with no boundaries (that means chaos, within you, and your surroundings). But to bee free from yourself, and free from the enviornemnts we were educated in (that ARE NOT in the right path, I think).

I don't deliver my mind to this kind of thoughts constantly. I'm just aware of what all this is, what I live daily, what I observe, and what could I do to change my situation. Change to a better State of Mind.

I don't labbel myself as a hippie. That's one of those words to make human beings even more seperated from each other.
But I like the idea of a wild community. Where people work not for them, not for their own amusement, but for the people within the community to survive and feel alive and in contact with the earth.

Or (and this one makes me smile even more) just travel around the world. Take my self to experience new things everyday in different places. Traveling without stoping. And when one stops, is to sleep, or one is ill or the time for the transition has come.

Often, I've been feeling very much alive. Been feeling that actually, we don't know jack shit about Anything. We are super monkeys, and think that we know everything.
We have a thin coat, witch we call ego, that has been feeded since the day we were born (depending on your education). I'm aware of his (egoistic attitudes) manifestations. And this is what , particulary, makes me unconfortable in this place. I feel like something needs to change.
I know , as restin said "Every barrier is built up by myself.", I know it. And more and more, I'm aware of it. But that barriers only exist because you live in an enviornment that is not favourable to our development. It's completely the opposite. I'm not throwing the guilt to the things that are 'outside' this body, but it's a fact. Our development depends, in most part, on the enviornment we live in.

Well.. tick tack tick tack tick tack... time goes by... we are still here, and we don't know where we are going and where we came from. We just are. And, ironically, many people are afraid of just.. Being. That's why we attach to things. To feel comfortable and safe. But, all in all, sooner or later, everyone will have their mystical experience. And all those attachments and steel chains will break and One will feel Freedom, Once and for all.

I'm just trying to catch that feeling in this life, and not feel belated because of my fears, caused by my own attachments, of the mysteries of Life.

I already touched it's tail, and that's what bugs me!

Love

"Happiness is only real when shared" quoting Christopher McCandless

 

[ibiscus]

"Human beings NEED Pure Love and Truth. Life on earth needs Pure Love and Truth. The Earth itself, NEEDS Pure Love and Truth."

It's not my point of view.....

Life on earth, human or not, needs a few physical objects (O,N,H2O,etc) to exist. To be happy, human life needs more. But what? I don't know. You have a very romantic vision of this what..personnaly, i would say that Pure love doesn't exist and that the Truth, with a big T, is the fruit of the human vanity...

as you're conceited enough to think that you could know what the earth itself needs...

 

[ibiscus]

I don't like judgments of the human beings and the society... and indignation is useless. I personnaly try to understand as far as it is possible for me before putting forward a judgment.. it's my way to make the world a better place (and also a way to be in peace with myself when i take public transport or when i use my computer)