Aspiring Psychonaut

[gammagoblin]

But usally people(at least people that I know) use it just to feel good,not for the way you think then. But these guys are ignorants.

I know, it has the potential for exploitation but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential for mind exploration. Other psychedelics have that too by the way I know people who used to take LSD daily just to escape from ordinary reality.

Sure, you get to see something else, but at the same time, what you are seeing is coloured by artificial happiness.

There is no good trips or bad trips. If something arises, it is part of the trip - trying to control it is most people's problem.

Causing fake euphoria is part of the trip is just another way of controlling things that shouldn't be controlled if you are looking for your true self.

That's not to say I frown upon you or what you are doing. I hope you enjoy your time here.

I also think there can still be a place for it, it's just not exploring yourself, it's exploring the euphoria.

Seeing the world through the eyes of love, no matter how artificial, is a more realistic view on the world than the view most "sober" mindsets have on the world, thus it can be an eyeopener and thus it can be psychedelic. But it depends on what you do with it.

I can say for myself that I had a lot of benefit from my experiences with MDMA so for me it stand's beyond doubt that it has properties for mind exploration.

 

[Nomada]

But usally people(at least people that I know) use it just to feel good,not for the way you think then. But these guys are ignorants.

Does this in a way define a "true" psychonaut? People who just want thrills and special effects and the others, the significance distillers, the voyagers of eternity?

I have no need for comfortability, a just want to distilled everything to its base and then consume, endlessly.
Or maybe we just want to sound really progressive and shock everyone with our amazing wit.

 

[Subtle_Nod]

If you want to see the world through eyes of love - do that. I don't see the need for a drug if that is your goal.

If you want to explore yourself, do that.

If you just want to trip, do that.

If you trip and see how great the world is when you see everything with love and then say you are exploring yourself I think you are just practicing rhetoric. Love reached through MDMA is fake. It doesn't matter if it's like the love we should all have, you don't really have it. It wears off.

If you believe that seeing the world through eyes of love is a worthy endeavor - do it without drugs, it will have a knock on effect - from your own mind to the people you interact with.

Do it on drugs, you get dismissed as on drugs.

 

[st.bot.32]

I know, it has the potential for exploitation but that doesn't mean it doesn't have the potential for mind exploration. Other psychedelics have that too by the way Razz I know people who used to take LSD daily just to escape from ordinary reality.

totally agree. it's you who chooses to put in the effort and think. the drug just opens the door of possibilities. to paraphrase the venerable hunter s thompson, enlightenment can't be bought for five dollars a hit

a large percentage of weed smokers totally waste the mind-expanding potential of cannabis too

honestly, i've nothing against having fun on drugs. what irritates me the most though is when these people project their own personal (ab)use of these substances onto others who actually are paying attention to what is going on, exploring their senses, etc

 

[Brugmansia]

Tryptamines, in fact only LSD/LSA, Mescaline, Shrooms, DMT/Aya are the basic platform for the psychonaut. It are our hearts and our main spirit. That's how I see it. They abide by the rules of the shamans and their enlightment.

And all others such as MDMA, 2cb, PCP, DXM, AMT, Ketamine, Ibogaine, Opium, Datura, Salvia, GHB, coffee, weed, some designer drugs etc. can be used as a very powerful secundair platform to alter our minds too, though in a different way than the basics.

Psychoactives which I consider as mental and physical poison are nicotine, alcohol, cocaine, heroin, meth, SRRI's, benzo's, methadone etc. These have no point for the psychonaut and could be merely used once to take knowledge of how the high feels, or not at all if one isn't curious.

A psychonaut should never abandon his journey's, at least he should choice one substance from the basics once in a while. I think Ayahuasca would be the choice in that case.

 

[Mikey_Massacre]

We all have a point,but taking LSD or any other psychedlic doesnt makey you a psychonaut. I know many people who took acid and said:man,I'm to simple for that.too much to handle". Or people who take drugs for "omfg dude! I'm trippin' my ass off!" are also not neccesarly psychonauts. I have nothing against having fun on drugs though. I would be a hypocrite If I would say I dont take any pleasure from them.

I agree about the Basic Psychonaut platform.

 

[GOD]

A psychonaut is a psychonaut they dont have to take any drugs .

 

[Psychoid]

I don't think that anything that causes euphoria is part of a psychonautical journey.

The substance which provided me the strongest euphoria is shrooms... so shrooms can't be part of a psychonautical journey?

A psychonaut is a psychonaut they dont have to take any drugs .

Right, drugs are tool that CAN be used by psychonaut, not tools that make you become one! Though they may make you realize you are one, which was my case...

 

[gammagoblin]

If you want to see the world through eyes of love - do that. I don't see the need for a drug if that is your goal.

If you want to explore yourself, do that.

If you just want to trip, do that.

If you trip and see how great the world is when you see everything with love and then say you are exploring yourself I think you are just practicing rhetoric. Love reached through MDMA is fake. It doesn't matter if it's like the love we should all have, you don't really have it. It wears off.

If you believe that seeing the world through eyes of love is a worthy endeavor - do it without drugs, it will have a knock on effect - from your own mind to the people you interact with.

Do it on drugs, you get dismissed as on drugs.

What if I normally always get irritated, or I am always to shy, to see the world through the eyes of love when sober (don't say I have this, just a rhetoric question), and I do want to come in that state of mind, to see how that can benefit me, so that I can change from being irritated at everything, or being too shy all the time, and so that I can see the world through the eyes of love when sober.
You'd like to say that a person using MDMA for this reason isn't using it to explore his mind? Whatever you want, I have my own beliefs on this.

By the way, the love I felt on MDMA was there, and thus it was real. How can you say something which you experience is fake? It might not be produced by a pretty girl or something, but the feeling is there so it's real.

 

[IJesusChrist]

I have a problem with love - I don't really experience it, and when I do, it usually only lasts for >5 minutes, and then rationality always sets in and I can't feel that same love.

I think, personally, that if I were to take MDMA, I could possibly learn more about love, how it comes and goes, and maybe actually feel it.

I havn't felt love in a long time, please, PLEASE, don't say Euphoria drugs are bad, some people really need them.

It's not easy taking the bad trips every time, every time, trip after trip. Especially if they become suicidal level. You may think I'm just ignorant, that I can't tolerate my own thoughts... but It's not that... Trust me, it's deeper than anything I have ever heard from anyone else.

 

[Psyolopher]

A psychonaut is a psychonaut they dont have to take any drugs .

That is true, like mr psychoid said, they are tools!
I do sail the soul and mind pretty much without drugs!

 

[????????]

IJC: do you realize that by labeling yourself incapable of experiencing love you are effectively binding yourself? I get the impression from your posts that you consider yourself some kind of robot or someone who was born like this and can't help it. Why is that? have you thought about the possibility that maybe there hasn't been an appropriate catalyst for you? I don't know you... but you remind me of myself some years ago so I wanted to remind you to be wary of dangerous self fulfilling prophecies.

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